Hillary Clinton

[n.c.]

Originally posted by Chris 62
there is also a growing perception that Democrats (ether real or imagined) have been blocking releif funding to NY.

Interesting. I thought that GW Bush said they were getting enough money. You know the Dems, always willing to spend more!

[Gibsie]

So, the main problem that people have with her is she didn't make easy political points by going to Ground Zero, getting filmed doing all kinds of nice things, etc. like thousands of others did?

[DanS]

Gibsie: basically, yes. But apparently, there's a lot of window-dressing that makes some New Yorkers less likely to give the benefit of the doubt. Hillary should not have low approval ratings.

"but it does appear to do a better job than *any* of the US News Outlets"

EIF: the online version is good and their coverage of events in remote areas of the world is outstanding. That said, many times you will find much better stories in the NY Times or The Washington Post. So it's not a slam dunk either way.

[drake]

The people should have voted for beetlejuice instead...right chris?

[faded glory]

Shes all PR

no substance. No emotions.

She does her own thing and kisses everybody's ass who would vote for her.

Shes arrogant.....

Meet the Press

?????

You call this a press conference?

Since when has she gathered around 30 reporters and answered there questions?

Never! Its all pre-rehearsed Bullcrap. Softball.....and the "dont ask me this" talk before the show.

[Chris 62]

The Hillary record...

Originally posted by Gibsie
So, the main problem that people have with her is she didn't make easy political points by going to Ground Zero, getting filmed doing all kinds of nice things, etc. like thousands of others did?

No Gibsie, the main problem is she isn't doing what she was elected to do, which is represent the people of NYS, and to help in the smooth recovery from recent disasters. What your saying is a simplistic bating argument, save it for the other guys, but I'll explain what I mean. And I'll thank you to ask a question next time, not try to paint me into a corner as a politcal reactionary, with such a loaded question. Bad form, old boy.

She proposed NO legeslation to help in the releif efforts for families of this tragedy (Both Pataki and Guillianni did), showed no support for the people on the front line of this (Firefighters, rescue workers, and volunteers), because she believed it wasn't important enough, what was more important was sabatoging Bush's economic relief bill, while she has proposed no alternative, outside of a bill to lower taxes for upper NY, a HUGE voter block for her, while providing no relief for NYC tax wise.

Instead, she is pandering to special interest groups, practicing partisan politics (Disagreeing with republicans simply because they are republicans, not because of issues), and using her postion as a plank for her presidential assperations, not doing what she promised the naieve voters of NYS what she promissed she would.

Her and her husband tried to steal everything that wasn't nailed down at the white house (and some things that were!), and her behaviour was been horriffic since she first showed on the public scene over 9 years ago.

Where is the health care package she promised?
What she proposed was so redicoulous Democrats refused to back it, as it was less care for more money!
She fired the white house travel staff (an illeagal act) so she could put in her cronies.
How about her and bill ripping up the private life of any who opposed them with the justice department? (can anybody say Linda Tripp? I knew that you could)
She also used that against the travel staff, but they countered with law suits and the matter was dropped when the Clintons caved and componsated them.
How about how she stonewalled on the whitewater investigation (hiding records for 3 years, that suddenly "turned up", sans any incriminating information, of course)
Yes, she managed to turn 10,000 dollars into 1000,000 dollars overnight, although NOBODY knows how, to this day.
Add the immigrant matter to her list of "accomplishments".
The list is endless, but this is what happens when you make a lawyer a politician, you get the worst of both worlds.

Hopefully you, Senaca and nc can now see why I revile this loathesom woman throughly.

[KrazyHorse]

There's a few good print news sources in the US that are top quality for coverage, but American TV news is almost uniformly crap. Even 60 minutes is drawn into sensationalism quite often. I'll take any of half a dozen newsmagazines run by the CBC (Witness, The Fifth Estate, etc.) over it any day.

I find it quite telling that Boobie Dornan is in love with Fox News, since they mostly sound exactly like him.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by DanS
Gibsie: basically, yes. But apparently, there's a lot of window-dressing that makes some New Yorkers less likely to give the benefit of the doubt. Hillary should not have low approval ratings.

I think you should read my above post, you might want to rethink this answer.

The people should have voted for beetlejuice instead...right chris?

He's the third party candidate I voted for!

[faded glory]

Chris she (supposedly) made the money on Cattle Future's investment (since when do cattle even have futures ).

Also one must not forget her use of Air Force 1 to take her EVERYWHERE during her Senate Race (at the taxpayers expense )

You also cannot forget about vince foster. Who amazingly.....days before he was about to break some big news on the Clintons. Sudddenly died cause he could not find his heart medicine (Hah...!)

Its sad.....she decieved the people of NY with such ease.

[Ted Striker]

Regarding Gibsies comments:

I think those kinds of things ARE important for leaders to be doing. They need to show their faces and let their people know they are there for them and to reassure them.

Remember the famous picture of Eisenhower going to meet the paratroopers before he sent them off for D-Day? Most of those guys were expected to die.

Sometimes a reassuring handshake or touch on the shoulder from the boss can make a big difference in morale.

That's what leaders are supposed to do.

The Clintons are nothing but soulless mobsters.

[n.c.]

Originally posted by faded glory
You also cannot forget about vince foster.

You buy this? Here's a link where you will find a bunch of other allegations, none of which are less credible: http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

[n.c.]

Chris- "She proposed NO legeslation to help in the releif efforts"
She was not a co-sponsor on any of the relief bills? That would be amazing.

-"she believed it wasn't important enough"
Is there a quote associated with this?

-"sabatoging Bush's economic relief bill"
There are legitimate policy reasons to oppose his bill. The >$1 billion donation to IBM, for example.

-"while she has proposed no alternative"
The Democrats in general have; I imagine she signed on.

I don't know anything about the NY tax thing, but that sounds highly irregular.

pandering to special interest groups, practicing partisan politics (Disagreeing with republicans simply because they are republicans, not because of issues), and using her postion as a plank for her presidential assperations

I agree these are all bad, but hopefully you recognize she is not alone, or even the worst.

-"tried to steal everything that wasn't nailed down at the white house"
Turns out that was not true.

I won't re-hash the scandals.

On the "immigrant thing," wasn't she just trying to help grieving constituents?

I actually don't like her either, but my reasons aren't debatable.

[DanS]

Hillary was instrumental, with Schumer, in getting the $20 billion cashola in aid promises from Bush for New York, so it's not true that she hasn't done anything.

However, it was a bad tactical error in holding the bill hostage for more economic aid for New York than what Bush put in the kitty. I don't know whose idea it was, but it did a lot of damage to past and future requests from New York, and places the Democratic party poorly.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by DanS
Hillary was instrumental, with Schumer, in getting the $20 billion cashola in aid promises from Bush for New York, so it's not true that she hasn't done anything.

What kind of effort did that take? Schumer and Guiliani called GW the first day. GW said....."You have a blank check".

She has 0 attachment to the people of new york. And her politics are repulsive and class divisive.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by n.c.
Chris- "She proposed NO legeslation to help in the releif efforts"
She was not a co-sponsor on any of the relief bills? That would be amazing.

but true

-"she believed it wasn't important enough"
Is there a quote associated with this?

Not in so many words, what she actually did was turn down several relief fundraisers to attend democratic fund raisers for Mark Green, who would lose the NY election, and has shown zero empathy with this state and it's people.

-"sabatoging Bush's economic relief bill"
There are legitimate policy reasons to oppose his bill. The >$1 billion donation to IBM, for example.

I'm waiting to see a viable alternative, all Dashow says is 'we can't afford this".

-"while she has proposed no alternative"
The Democrats in general have; I imagine she signed on.

I would like to see this proposal

I don't know anything about the NY tax thing, but that sounds highly irregular.

Shumer crushed if before it got far, he saw the damage it would cause.

I agree these are all bad, but hopefully you recognize she is not alone, or even the worst.

I'm not a Republican or Democrat, so I see all the bad from BOTH sides, believe me.

-"tried to steal everything that wasn't nailed down at the white house"
Turns out that was not true.

Actually it was, and they had to return quite a bit of purloined items, and the investigation continues, part of the ol "Great right wing conspiracy" she used to love to yell about.

I won't re-hash the scandals.

I covered it fairly well, but have you seen a resent political figure with so many, so often?
Where there is smoke, there is fire.

On the "immigrant thing," wasn't she just trying to help grieving constituents?

She is a US Senator, how are non-US Citizens her constituents?
I was under the impression a Senator was supposed to represent the citizens of the USA, not law breakers in this country illeagally, or perhaps on wrong here?

I actually don't like her either, but my reasons aren't debatable.

It would be interesting to find someone who does support this phoney at this point, but only hard line Democrats seem to be in her camp at this point.

Hillary was instrumental, with Schumer, in getting the $20 billion cashola in aid promises from Bush for New York, so it's not true that she hasn't done anything.

She added her signature to a peice of paper, on something the President promised from almost day one Dan, I would hardly call that instrumental.

This woman is a phoney and a manipulator, and her approval rating in this state clearly shows that I'm not the only New Yorker who thinks this way. She does nothing for us, only for herself.