Stalin monument to be built??

[Kidlicious]

Fez,

Why don't you just go ahead and claim that Che is responsible for 40 million deaths?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Fez,

Why don't you just go ahead and claim that Che is responsible for 40 million deaths?

Che How could you?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Fez,

Why don't you just go ahead and claim that Che is responsible for 40 million deaths?

Who is Fez?

Che is responsible for supporting a man who is responsible for 40 million deaths.

[chequita guevara]

From Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Death_toll

It is generally agreed by historians that if famines, prison and labour camp mortality, and state terrorism (deportations and political purges) are taken into account, Stalin and his colleagues were directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions. How many millions died under Stalin is greatly disputed. Although no official figures have been released by the Soviet or Russian governments, most estimates put the figure between 8 and 20 million. Comparison of the 1926-39 census results suggests 5-10 million deaths in excess of what would be normal in the period, mostly through famine in 1931-34. The 1926 census shows the population of the Soviet Union at 147 million while the 1939 census at 162 million. (Another census from 1937 is known as the "wrecker's census"; its figures were suppressed.) The highest death estimates are 50 million from the 1920s to 1950s, but they are probably greatly exaggerated.

As you you, Fez, you support capitalism, which is responsible for the deaths of more then ten million people every year. In any given decade, your favored economic system kills more than one hundred million people from war, starvation, pollution, inadequate health care, etc., all problems caused by or allowed to happen because of, the profit motive. Even if I was a Stalinist and supported everything Stalin did, I'd still have far less blood on my hands than you.

[Japher]

A statue of Stalin is a good thing because

1) While revitalizing the Russian spray paint industry they will also consolidate most graffiti problems down to one area!
2) Pigeons will crap on him
3) Saddam won't be alone in the "My Statue Got Trashed" Club
4) Will make Hitler mad

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Who is Fez?

Che is responsible for supporting a man who is responsible for 40 million deaths.

I know enough to know that Che does not support forced collectivization, aka 'liquidation or the kulaks.' So, no, you are wrong.

And since you are just coming up with numbers, why not just say he is resonsible for 100 million people dying?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Who is Fez?

You are Fez.

Che is responsible for supporting a man who is responsible for 40 million deaths.

I am a Trotskyist, not a Stalinist. My side opposed Stalin. But just like I won't say that Hitler ate babies, I won't say that Stalin killed a number pulled out of your ass. The truth is horrible enough without people like you inventing things, allowing their actual supporters to disprove your claims and thus legitimize themselves.

[laurentius]

I cannot continue this discussion with you Che, your gonna have to read about the Finno-Russo wars in WW2 by yourself first.

This I will say. There were 2 wars. First was started by Stalin according to ribbentrop-molotov agreement. There were no german troops anywhere near Finland at that time. The second war was started by the Finns themselves to reclaim the lands the Russians had stolen in the first war. This time there were German troops helping Finland. We should thank them for at least once standing beside the little guy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Che How could you?

Can we wait until I'm President of the USSA before we start blaming me for megacide?

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The whole of Finland was not in their way. If you hadn't entered the war, then the Soviets could have supplied Leningrad around the lake from the North.

Hey, the NW shore of Lake Ladoga belonged to Finland before the Winter War. Are you saying they shouldn't have seized the opportunity to take it back during the Continuation War out of pity for the Leningraders?

Besides, the city was supplied from the south and from the east across the ice.

[Giancarlo]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by chegitz guevara

How many millions died under Stalin is greatly disputed.

From your own source.

As you you, Fez, you support capitalism, which is responsible for the deaths of more then ten million people every year. In any given decade, your favored economic system kills more than one hundred million people from war, starvation, pollution, inadequate health care, etc., all problems caused by or allowed to happen because of, the profit motive. Even if I was a Stalinist and supported everything Stalin did, I'd still have far less blood on my hands than you.

Bull ****. It isn't capitalism that causes the deaths of more then ten million people every year. What a load of bull****. It is you communists who caused Africa to go down the tubes, and I think you communists (USSR) are responsible for causing millions of deaths, starvation and war in many other places. Despite the fall of communism in 1991, many of these wars started by it still rage on. Capitalism has little to do with the stupidities of ethnic conflicts which are moreso fueled by political interests. You are so full of ****. You have more bloods on your hands. Far more.

[Japher]

Despite the fall of communism in 1991, many of these wars started by it still rage on

Colonization still has a lot to do with the wars of today.. Lets just blame the French and be done with it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by laurentius
This I will say. There were 2 wars. First was started by Stalin according to ribbentrop-molotov agreement. There were no german troops anywhere near Finland at that time.

The first war is irrelvent as to whether or not you aided the Nazis in starving 670,000 people in Leningrad.

The second war was started by the Finns themselves to reclaim the lands the Russians had stolen in the first war. This time there were German troops helping Finland. We should thank them for at least once standing beside the little guy.

German troops were not "aiding" Finland. They were trying to cut off Murmansk. You were an active ally of the worst regime in human history. I don't really know what else is there to say. You've been repeatedly refuted, even with your own sources.

I declare you PWN3D!!11!1

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Hey, the NW shore of Lake Ladoga belonged to Finland before the Winter War. Are you saying they shouldn't have seized the opportunity to take it back during the Continuation War out of pity for the Leningraders?

As I said, they had a legitmate cause, but that doesn't mean that they didn't take part in starving 670,000 people to death. What he's trying to do is deny they had any responsibility for it. That would be like saying that the United States had no responsibility in the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan, since they attacked us first. The fact is, Finland helped starve Leningrad, whether or not they had a legititimate cause for war.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Colonization still has a lot to do with the wars of today.. Lets just blame the French and be done with it.