Are You Ready for Some Football - Play Offs

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Kid, you need a clue. What was missing during that New Orleans game... do you remember? Oh yeah, VICK DIDN'T PLAY!

Vick does make a lot of errors, and his recievers really aren't that bad. He just isn't a very good passer. He still looks at one reciever and if he looks open he throws too him, but too often he misreads and throws an interception. If that one reciever is covered he runs. Any team that prepares adequately for the Falcons can easily beat them.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's not the same team at all.

So last year's team wasn't the same team at all? 2-10 vs. 3-1 last year... different teams?

And Johnson playing in an offense 'designed for Vick' . Did you even watch the Dan Reeves Falcons once?

Besides, it's a team game, not just one guy.

No, the Falcons are the closest thing to a one man team out there.

And Doug Johnson wouldn't be a starting QB anywhere.

Before last year, he was being touted as the next big Free Agent QB who used to be a backup. If Vick didn't go down, I'm sure he would have been named starting QB for some team this year.

Face it Imran, the stats tell it all. Vick has hurt his team as much as he has "helped" it.

Yeah, a team with as much talent on offense as Chicago (hell, probably the same on defense) or Tampa Bay finishes 11-5 and Vick has HURT the team as much as he has HELPED it! Where do you come up with this?

[Kidlicious]

And the Falcons haven't won a game for a month. How you can be so sure of victory is beyond me.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Vick does make a lot of errors, and his recievers really aren't that bad. He just isn't a very good passer. He still looks at one reciever and if he looks open he throws too him, but too often he misreads and throws an interception. If that one reciever is covered he runs. Any team that prepares adequately for the Falcons can easily beat them.

Like St. Louis did? Like Carolina did? Their recievers aren't that bad?! WHAT? Wanna trade? Peerless Price is a #2 playing in a #1 spot. He's the new Alvin Harper (remember him?). Brian Finneran and Dez White would be lucky to be #3 on a team.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
And the Falcons haven't won a game for a month. How you can be so sure of victory is beyond me.

Mostly because I've seen what has happened in Week 2. You can say a lot has changed since then, but that was one of Vick's best games of the year. Aside from the Seattle game, where he played a quarter, the Rams game was his second highest passer rating of the year (120.3) and second highest completion percentage (73.7). That isn't even counting his rushing years (109). Martz's D was destroyed by Vick. I don't see anything which has changed on that side of the ball.

And the Falcons D was also pretty good against the Rams O that game, IIRC.

[Frozzy]

No, the Falcons are the closest thing to a one man team out there.

I don't see Vick catching balls or making tackles.

Yeah, a team with as much talent on offense as Chicago (hell, probably the same on defense) or Tampa Bay finishes 11-5 and Vick has HURT the team as much as he has HELPED it! Where do you come up with this?

Those 30 turnovers for a start...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kalius
I don't see Vick catching balls or making tackles.

For all the help on offense he gets, he probably should be catching balls . At least that would prevent Peerless Price from trying to.

Those 30 turnovers for a start...

What 30 turnovers? Or did you miss your link that says he LOST NO FUMBLES!

He got 12 INTs and that's it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

To underscore the point:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=givetake&league=nfc&year=2004

The Falcons had a TOTAL of 30 Giveaways, which includes Schaub's 4 INTs, Dunn's 2 Fumbles lost, etc, etc... thereby making the 30 supposed turnovers of Vick to be utterly without truth .

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Mostly because I've seen what has happened in Week 2. You can say a lot has changed since then, but that was one of Vick's best games of the year. Aside from the Seattle game, where he played a quarter, the Rams game was his second highest passer rating of the year (120.3) and second highest completion percentage (73.7). That isn't even counting his rushing years (109). Martz's D was destroyed by Vick. I don't see anything which has changed on that side of the ball.

And the Falcons D was also pretty good against the Rams O that game, IIRC.

I didn't see that game either, but the Falcons did some things that the Rams weren't expecting. I don't think that's going to happen again. I think the Rams will be prepared on offense, and the Rams offense is definitely playing much better than they were in the beginning of the season. We have our 3 recievers working like we did when we were so sucessfull. Jackson has proven to be a top back in the league, and even Faulk is looking fresh.

The Rams D is the determinant though. I think it will be close, but the thing that will determine the winner is if the Rams D can get interceptions.

[Imran Siddiqui]

the Falcons did some things that the Rams weren't expecting.

Such as? Frankly, their gameplan is pretty simple. Run, run, run and pass every once in a while.

[Frozzy]

What 30 turnovers? Or did you miss your link that says he LOST NO FUMBLES!

They don't count loss under the loss column for some reason. It says his team recovered 4, making it 26, as you said.

But if you think he lost no fumbles you obviously haven't seen a Falcons game this year

[Frozzy]

And besides, he still fumbled 16 times, and all could have gone to the opposition.

He's the 2003 Tiki Barber of ball protection.

[Imran Siddiqui]

They don't count loss under the loss column for some reason. It says his team recovered 4, making it 26, as you said.

No, it says HE recovered 4. He didn't lose every fumble that he, himself didn't recover .

Further cemented by:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFC/OFF-TURNOVERS/2004/regular?sort_col_1=9

Which says the Falcons lost a TOTAL of 14 fumbles.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teamstats?team=atl&season=2

This gives at least 6 fumbles lost by running backs and wide recievers. We have no idea how many were lost on punts and kickoffs (more than one at the least; I've seen more than one) or by Schaub.

And besides, he still fumbled 16 times, and all could have gone to the opposition.

Which is not that horrible for a QB. Delhomme had 12 fumbles this year (and lost 5 according to NFL.com). Aaron Brooks had 13 (and lost 2). Last year Brady had 13 fumbles. In 2001, Farve had 16 fumbles. Last year Culpepper had 16 fumbles in 14 games and in 2002 had 23 fumbles!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

the Falcons did some things that the Rams weren't expecting.

Such as? Frankly, their gameplan is pretty simple. Run, run, run and pass every once in a while.

I was talking about defense. Their defense is not simple at all. But Bulger and the rest of the offense have some experience against it, and they have a good idea about what they will do. They did weird stuff like attacking Pace and blitzing from the outside. Usually that stuff won't work against the Rams, but I'm sure Martz has a handle on what happened.