You don't know that and you don't have proof of that. You are just assuming things.
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Leading Atheist Philosopher Concludes God's Real
Collapse
X
-
"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:
-
Originally posted by Whaleboy
Kuci, prove it.
Boris
Comment
-
We?
You're just stating a tautology you're not actually providing me with an argument, other than that space-time was infinitesimally small but then again in order to make such a claim you need to explain the change from infinitesimally small to finite, without introducing an internal (as we see it 4d) temporal dimension for you to provide such a claim."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:
Comment
-
Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Not true. The BB wasn't a moment of creation. It just happened to be a cataclysmic even that for all practical purposes destroyed any information about the previous state of the universe.
If the BB occured in the first place as we understand it.Tutto nel mondo è burla
Comment
-
Originally posted by Whaleboy
We?
You're just stating a tautology you're not actually providing me with an argument, other than that space-time was infinitesimally small but then again in order to make such a claim you need to explain the change from infinitesimally small to finite, without introducing an internal (as we see it 4d) temporal dimension for you to provide such a claim.
What? Tautology? It's an empirical claim! The big bang as a scientific theory does not hold it as a moment of creation. How hard is that to understand? Hell, the big bang as a scientific theory has immense holes anyway.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
The BB theory is that everything sprung from a singularity, including space and time.
That's nonsense, because you can't have a singularity outside of space-time. A singularity is defined in terms of the shape of space-time. At that point, space-time existed, it was just infinitely curved.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The BB was never proposed as a moment of creation. It was proposed as a transition from one state to another. Supposedly, spacetime was infinitely small, and then it started expanding. We have no clue how long is was that way, or what happened before.
Oh, wait a minute. I almost forgot. Traveling through time is not theoretically possible is it, at least when traveling into the past. Ah well. Scrap that idea then.
Case in point: Only God could tell us how the universe was created.HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Comment
-
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
That there may have been a previous universe whose information was destroyed and led to a collapse into a singularity is irrelevant, because as you say, there is no information about that universe.
No practical information. It's entirely conceivable - by some theories, required - that the information wasn't lost, in the sense that the information in a computer isn't lost even if you nuke it.
Since the laws of our universe all sprung from the BB, the BB is, for all intents and purposes, the moment of creation.
Where'd you get that they sprung from the BB? The BB was a particular configuration of the universe, under which different laws might have applied (in general - classical theory breaks down at singularities, but it's wrong anyway), but that doesn't mean it changed the laws.
Comment
-
Travelling through time hasn't been proven to violate any laws of physics. It's just practically impossible.Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
"I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, Firaxis
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
To prove this or disprove it, you'll need to build a time machine and take me back to the moment of the Big Bang. Oh, and you'll need to do this to prove it or disprove it to yourself, too, in which case you would eliminate all uncertanties.
No. Astronomy works wonders
Comment
-
What? Tautology? It's an empirical claim!
The words you use are misleading, to say "creation" in the sense of the BB as the point of creation is a fallacy, unless you're dealing with the universe in terms of it's logical framework, an internally consistent logical system as you so fondly put it as I recall, but then methinks you need to read Wittgenstein. Strangely, I'd start with Philosophical Investigations, then the Tractatus, even though the latter was written formerly.
Bare in mind also that the big bang is typical of scientific theories in the sense that doubt is a necessary precurser to knowledge, indeed, knowledge of a given phenomena DEPENDS upon doubt at the same time, as for the holes, I assume you refer to the Horizon problem?"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:
Comment
-
That's nonsense, because you can't have a singularity outside of space-time. A singularity is defined in terms of the shape of space-time. At that point, space-time existed, it was just infinitely curved."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:
Comment
-
Scientific laws as we know them are demonstrably false rules that usually work as good approximations for the behavior of systems."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
"You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:
Comment
Comment