National ID Card + PATRIOTACT 2

[Ramo]

The ones being assaulted by this law.

[Dis]

I've been looking for land in Montana because of this thread. I can't buy it of course, because I'd have to pay taxes on it. I'm going to reside on public land.

But what I'm worried about is internet access. How can I get internet access (so I can post at poly) without getting an ID card and having the goverment track me?

I would also need a good source of electricty to run my computer. I can't connect to the grid for obvious reasons, I will need some sort of portable generator...

[Nubclear]

Contrary to popular belief, the United States is not the ONLY nation on the North American continent

[Dis]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Contrary to popular belief, the United States is not the ONLY nation on the North American continent

Canadians won't let you into their country unless you are a hot female stripper.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Dissident


Canadians won't let you into their country unless you are a hot female stripper.

Marry a Canadian

[Patroklos]

What exactly is the differance between this and your social security card/passport/driver's licence/credit cards/etc?

Credit Cards are actually the most intrusive of all the above, because the Federal Government can track your movement.

All this does is combine alot of other souces of infomation the government has on you into a single efficient source, which will probobly serve you better for the current government services you already consume without thought now. If they government wants your information, it would have it now without the card.

You guys are parinoid (which doesn't mean people are not after you).

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Patroklos
What exactly is the differance between this and your social security card/passport/driver's licence/credit cards/etc?

Credit Cards are actually the most intrusive of all the above, because the Federal Government can track your movement.

All this does is combine alot of other souces of infomation the government has on you into a single efficient source, which will probobly serve you better for the current government services you already consume without thought now. If they government wants your information, it would have it now without the card.

You guys are parinoid (which doesn't mean people are not after you).

By law, your social security number is only to be used by the SSA. The fact that everybody asks for and or/gives out their SSNs is a collective failure to care about this issue. But the SSN is not a national ID card, and is actually proscribed by law from becoming one.

Barely anyone in the US has a passport -- 15-20% atr most. Moreover, passports tend NOT to be accepted as an ID, at least not without a fight; I used to date a woman who had no driver's license and so presented her ppt whenever asked for ID; most people treated her as if she were either nuts or trying to put something over on them.

Driver's licenses are issued by states; credit cards are issued by private institutions; both are voluntary.

That's the difference.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by PLATO
Hmmm...

States rights and the protection of the rights of the majority or national oversight and protection of the minority at the cost of the majority ? Guess it just depends on which side of the fence you sit on. For me personally, the first one works better, although I acknowledge the great merit of the second.

And yet, the folks that are getting these measures through are predominately Southerners. Funny, ain't it?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Patroklos
What exactly is the differance between this and your social security card/passport/driver's licence/credit cards/etc?

Credit Cards are actually the most intrusive of all the above, because the Federal Government can track your movement.

All this does is combine alot of other souces of infomation the government has on you into a single efficient source, which will probobly serve you better for the current government services you already consume without thought now. If they government wants your information, it would have it now without the card.

You guys are parinoid (which doesn't mean people are not after you).

making it more efficient for theives to steal your identity . If you thought identity theft was bad before, you just wait.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by Dissident
I've been looking for land in Montana because of this thread. I can't buy it of course, because I'd have to pay taxes on it. I'm going to reside on public land.

But what I'm worried about is internet access. How can I get internet access (so I can post at poly) without getting an ID card and having the goverment track me?

I would also need a good source of electricty to run my computer. I can't connect to the grid for obvious reasons, I will need some sort of portable generator...

Hey you can live on our couch if you want

[Drake Tungsten]

Marry a Canadian

Wouldn't that be worse than whatever you were trying to escape to Canada from?

[Q Classic]

you know, it's funny that all those rightists *****ing about how those leftist governments in europe are evil, are planning on doing many similar things here that europe's done for ages.

like national id cards.

national id cards

why? well, it'll make it easier for me to steal other people's identities, for one.

[Whoha]

The bill doesn't make a national ID card apparently, just enforces standards among the states drivers liscenses that will in effect make them national ID cards.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's funny... 20 years ago, Reagan was adamantly against a national ID card (when plenty in his administration was for it). Now, it's being pushed by Bush.

[Drake Tungsten]

You know what else is funny? 20 years ago, Reagan was President while Bush had achieved nothing of note. Now, Reagan's dead and Bush is President. Isn't it crazy how much things can change in 20 years?