Are labor supply and freedom related?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
As to Berz's farm....I submit to you that your independence is up to you, in that case.

Watch him. Learn from him. Given the equal start, he's obviously doing something differently, so make use of the opportunity to learn from him and emulate.

Use your spare time (time you're not working for Berz) to begin to cultivate your own land.

Yes, you will be working more hours, but you will also thus, gain the independence you seek, and all without killing anyone! Woot!

-=Vel=-

And what if I don't have any spare time. What if Berzerker doesn't pay me enough, so I have to sell him my land for bananas.

[Velociryx]

"Sure I owe Berz something...."

All stop.

And how would you proposed to come to the reckoning of just exactly WHAT you owe him?

Perhaps by an agreement made by the both of you?

Congratulations! You just described the basic operations of the free market!

Oh...and yes, in your utopia...he would gain privledge just by being your boss. What, are you blind? Do you not see the independence lost? The power that the "boss" who does the ordering holds?

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

And what if I don't have any spare time. What if Berzerker doesn't pay me enough, so I have to sell him my land for bananas.

Then you negotiated poorly. Your fault. Your failing.

But you will have spare time.

All the time spent whining about how unfair it is.

That time can be put to better use....namely, to gain the very thing you complain about!

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
And what if I don't have any spare time. What if Berzerker doesn't pay me enough, so I have to sell him my land for bananas.

Then you negotiated poorly. Your fault. Your failing.

But you will have spare time.

All the time spent whining about how unfair it is.

That time can be put to better use....namely, to gain the very thing you complain about!

-=Vel=-

Vel,

You're about as smart as a rock. I wouldn't have any negotiating power.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Azazel
OMFG, I've seen there are "bananas", and an "island" involved. I am not touching this thread...

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[Kidlicious]

Oh that's the show that was on last night. I didn't watch though. Are they in bikinis a lot?

[Velociryx]

No negotiating power?!

Berz's free time is entirely dependant on your agreeing to work for him.

If he charges too high a price, you will simply go off and scratch out an existence elsewhere, and he will lose your services, or, if your need is dire, you will agree to work for him for only as long as the present crisis (ie, getting thru the winter), and then strike out on your own come spring.

Only someone who was truly as dumb as a rock would remain for longer than absolutely necessary if the price were too high, which again, would be YOUR failing, not Berz's.

Try again.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Your understanding of how the world works (or lack there of) is truly incredible.

[Velociryx]

Right now, we are not talking about "the world." We are talking about you and Berz on the island. One thing at a time.

You and Berz.

Island.

Equal start.

He made a farm, you....did something different.

Winter came and you got no food.

THAT is the world, for the purposes of the discussion at present.

You have tremendous negotiating power, in that YOU control Berz's free time. If his price is too high, you won't remain with him, and he loses that precious free time. That's your stick.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Maybe you missed the part where we're trapped on the island and my land is not productive.

[Velociryx]

Maybe you missed the whole "equal start" part?

Your land could be productive. That's up to you (notice how everything winds up being back in your court? Amazing, that....)

At the present time, in the scenario, no, you squandered your time, and your land is not bountiful. That's not quite the same as being totally non-productive, however, and with time and attention, and learning from someone who has already done it, you can MAKE it productive.

Stop being a victim, stand up for yourself, roll up your sleeves, and FIX IT!

I know...it'd be much easier to gripe, and/or kill berz and take his already working farm, but there IS another way.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

incredible

[Velociryx]

I know...it really, truly is!

I don't believe I have EVER encountered anyone arguing from a point of such utter helplessness!

I'm pretty stunned!

Glad you are too!

-=Vel=-

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Oh that's the show that was on last night. I didn't watch though. Are they in bikinis a lot?

They dress the contestants up as the orignal characters in costume. So Rachel and her Boobwatch counterpart are in the Movie Star evening gowns for the majority of the show. Except when they take their showers.

The Mary Ann characters are some honey though and are in skimpy bikini like outfits.

[Kidlicious]

You have to know what kind of negotiating power you have if you want to make a deal, otherwise there won't be any deal. Only idiots will give you a deal that you have no power to insist upon.