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[Imran Siddiqui]

Got anything which says the worldwide sales for the album are over 15 million in total? I have a strong feeling that those platinum numbers are for the album and total number of singles.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

http://www.mjni.com/news/details.aspx?ArticleNo=508

Matchbox 20 has the 84th best selling album worldwide with 'Yourself or Someone Like You' with 15 million albums sold.

Imran...all of the poorly researched articles in the world aren't going to help you on this one (the Michael Jackson Fanclub this time -- dude, how desperate are you...).

This is fact, given by your very sources:
US: 12 x platinum
AU: 8 x platinum
NZ: 5 x platinum

Then at the same time you assert contradicting numbers (14M and 15M), both of which don't make sense given the platinum figures from your same sources.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

http://www.mjni.com/news/details.aspx?ArticleNo=508

Matchbox 20 has the 84th best selling album worldwide with 'Yourself or Someone Like You' with 15 million albums sold.

Imran...all of the poorly researched articles in the world aren't going to help you on this one (the Michael Jackson Fanclub this time -- dude, how desperate are you...).

This is fact, given by your very sources:
US: 12 x platinum
AU: 8 x platinum
NZ: 5 x platinum

Then at the same time you assert contradicting numbers (14M and 15M), both of which don't make sense given the platinum figures from your same sources.

Got anything which says the worldwide sales for the album are over 15 million in total? I have a strong feeling that those platinum numbers are for the album and total number of singles.

That's not how platinum certification works...look it up on the RIAA site yourself.

These numbers are CERTIFICATION numbers, from the record company itself, which are official. I can only find three of these numbers (US, AU, and NZ), but it easily puts album sales well above 25M.

I don't know of any sites off hand which calculate the total, because I don't think it's available -- no one has done it officially. Which is probably why these wingnuts make up their own figures at whim.

But we do know it's at least 20 x platinum in 3 countries, which would contradict your 14 or 15M easily.

The argument that RIAA counts MB20's singles in with the albums to inflate the number is really incredibly desperate of you -- though not as desperate as linking to the Michael Jackson Fanclub as a source.

I don't even know why you're arguing this. MB20 is an insanely popular rock band these days. Are you disagreeing or something?

[JohnT]

**** people, you're talking about rock and roll here. All songs are about sex, sex, or whiny protesting. Let's not get into a "my lyrics are deeper than your lyrics" debate because... well, none of the lyrics are deep.

[Imran Siddiqui]

From Matchbox 20's OFFICIAL website

http://www.matchboxtwenty.com/about/

(Near the bottom of their Biography)

Since making their debut six years ago, matchbox twenty has become one of the most admired and consistently successful rock bands in recent history, with over 20 million albums sold worldwide.

Is Matchbox 20 lying about how many albums they sold worldwide? They said they sold 20 in SIX YEARS!

Sorry, Asher:

PWNED

[Imran Siddiqui]

the Michael Jackson Fanclub this time -- dude, how desperate are you...

It's only quoting the RIAA... yeah... we know how biased they are

MB20 is an insanely popular rock band these days. Are you disagreeing or something?

15 million with their first album and 5 million from the rest (According to their OWN BIO on their OWN SITE). Yeah, I would say thay aren't an insanely popular rock band these days.. maybe in the year they released their first album.

**** people, you're talking about rock and roll here. All songs are about sex, sex, or whiny protesting.

[Asher]

They say "over 20 million", my dear.

Which the platinum numbers certainly agree with.

Certainly more than the 12/14/15M you and Kontiki were BSing about.

The number, last time I saw it (which was in a newspaper article before their concert), put their debut album at 25M.

That snippit on the article, BTW, is clearly out of date anyway.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It's only quoting the RIAA... yeah... we know how biased they are

The stats are obviously out of date.

The RIAA stats are the platinum certification.

In 3 countries: 12x + 8x + 5x = 25x...RIAA's definition of platinum is 1M albums sold. Which gives you what?

The numbers for NZ and AU (8 and 5) come from your VERY source that you linked.

15 million with their first album and 5 million from the rest (According to their OWN BIO on their OWN SITE).

Which is clearly out of date and written by a moron (you think MB20 was formed in 1998? -- I have songs from them dated 1991)

Let's face facts, Imran: According to the RIAA in 3 countries -- and if anything, RIAA under-reports sales to whine about how they're losing money to internet piracy -- it's at least 25M.

I have no idea why you're so hellbent on arguing this with me, to the point of spending quite a bit of time googling around in a desperate attempt to contradict me.

For the final time: your own sources put sales at 25M -- certified -- in three countries alone.

Nothing you say is going to change that, especially not quoted portions written by webmasters without a clue.

Those numbers are official -- from the record label. In three countries only (I'll admit, though, that MB20 is insanely popular in AU/NZ, which explains their phenomenal sales there).

Give it up..

I'm off to the gym...i'll be back in a bit to read your further pathetic attempts to contradict the official numbers with something unofficial.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So 'over 20 million' listed on their site really means that they are saying they have sold anything from 21 million to 100 million, or more...



If it was greater than 20 million, even 21 million and one, they would have listed "over 21 million".

Certainly more than the 12/14/15M you and Kontiki were BSing about.

So MB20 has only realised 1 album in 6 years? I swear they have released more than that .


Sorry, Asher, you've been proven to be incorrect. Really, claiming 'over 20 million sold' in six years really means 30 million sold for one album. Too much!

[Imran Siddiqui]

especially not quoted portions written by webmasters without a clue.

Oh those Matchbox 20 webmasters without a clue! They have no idea how much that band has really sold worldwide! How evil they are!

The person who should be giving it up is you. When the band's official website disagrees with you, you should finally realize you've lost the battle.

[Asher]

Imran...official numbers disagree with you.

I'm sorry, but you've been pwn3d.

All the attempts to pretend you won are likely to succeed for you, but the fact remains that the people who actually keep track of these sales -- the RIAA -- say 25M were sold in 3 countries since 1996 when it became available.

I really don't care that you chose to believe summaries written by webmasters who used information from we-don't-know-when (they don't even cite the source), but the official numbers disagree.

I know what the website says, but I don't understand why you're being so silly. The people who know how much the album sold is the record label. The band hires some small company to do its website.

The official numbers, the real numbers, come from the only people who actually know how many it sold -- and that's the RIAA. Your own sources show the figure to be at least 25M, but you choose to ignore that and instead harp about an out-of-date website which says the band was formed in 1998, quoting figures which directly contradict official RIAA sources...

You've been pwn3d, accept it. Live with it. Embrace it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Matchbox 20's OFFICIAL SITE
Since making their debut six years ago, matchbox twenty has become one of the most admired and consistently successful rock bands in recent history, with over 20 million albums sold worldwide.

[Asher]

By the way: the leaflet in the "A Night in the Life of Matchbox Twenty" DVD, released this year, also says Yourself or Someone Like You sold 15M copies...in North America.

Which makes sense -- 12M in the US, 3M in Canada.

That explains where all of this 15M nonsense is coming from, they're only looking at North American markets.

I'll scan the page when I get back from the gym if it means that much to you.

[Asher]

For once in your life, Imran, use your brain:

The RIAA in the US has the album as 12x multi-platinum = over 12M sold.

So that leaves 3 million copies to be sold all over the rest of the world. Matchbox Twenty virtually hit "Beatles" status for some reason in Australia and New Zealand, which went 15x platinum between the two of them according to the RIAA.

Think, Imran, Think -- Canada alone likely say 3M sales of one of the most popular albums in recent years...

You really think the rest of the world doesn't exist?

Honestly, Imran...you know better than this.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Just to cement it, here is an Australian press release in 2000 when Matchbox 20's second album "Mad Season" came out. This what the press release had to say.

Following the stunning success of their explosive debut album, Yourself or Someone Like You, (currently 9 million worldwide sales and rising)

http://www.sydentcent.com.au/releases/media22.html

They also say that combined sales of their first album and their second was 11 million in 2000. Seems to be on pace for 20 million albums sold for 4 albums.

9 million worldwide sales in 2000, which was 2 years after the album was released in Australia (and 4 years after it came out in the US). Are you really proposing that in the 4 years after that, 15 million albums of "Yourself or Someone Like You" were sold?

For once in your life, Asher, use your brain.