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[Imran Siddiqui]

Once again... is frustration about not getting some not an emotion? Why are you trying to dodge the question? Is the only 'feeling and emotion' about a broken heart or being lonely?

And why do you feel the need to throw in strawmen like 'the height of your emotion'? Do you deny its an emotion altogether?

You want to hear deep emotion? "Sticky Fingers" by the Stones hits the bill, especially since it was done in some troubled times of the personal life of the band.

And it's interesting to hear someone who 'knows music' to only consider lyrics as the gateway to the emotion in a song. This ain't poetry... there is that song behind the words .

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Asher

Over 25 million people bought MB20's debut album. It is easily one of the best selling albums of all time.

Then over half of those people got scammed, since Yourself or Someone Like You only sold 12 million copies.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Once again... is frustration about not getting some not an emotion? Why are you trying to dodge the question? Is the only 'feeling and emotion' about a broken heart or being lonely?

I've said earlier I was referring to emotional depth.

Changing "I can't get no satisfaction" repeatedly is certainly an emotion, but it's a pretty frickin' shallow one.

And why do you feel the need to throw in strawmen like 'the height of your emotion'? Do you deny its an emotion altogether?

"Strawmen"...you rang?

You want to hear deep emotion? "Sticky Fingers" by the Stones hits the bill, especially since it was done in some troubled times of the personal life of the band.

Oi. I'm going to randomly pull a song from that album for ya:

Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in New Orleans.
Scarred old slaver know he's doin' alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
A - huh.

Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot,
Lady of the house wond'rin where it's gonna stop.
House boy knows that he's doin' alright.
You should a heard him just around midnight.
Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should
A - huh.

I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boy
Friends were sweet sixteen.
I'm no schoolboy but I know what I like,
You should have heard me just around midnight.

Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like a, just like a black girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like, just like a black girl should.

And it's interesting to hear someone who 'knows music' to only consider lyrics as the gateway to the emotion in a song. This ain't poetry... there is that song behind the words .

I never said I considered lyrics the only gateway to emotion in the song (there you go again with your strawmen). It's just not very conducive arguing anything else, especially with text only...

......

The best songs are the ones that you can make your own. They don't beat you over the head with their meaning, they're abstract and subtle enough for you to inject your own. You can mould them to mean what you want them to mean, depending what you're going through.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Then over half of those people got scammed, since Yourself or Someone Like You only sold 12 million copies.

Oh oh oh oh, we got ourselves a real smart-ass.

There's more to the world than domestic US sales, Kontiki.

Yourself or Someone Like You sold 12M in the US (qualifying it as a "diamond" album, which is way above "multi-platinum"). It was the #1 selling Rock album of the 1990s.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've said earlier I was referring to emotional depth.

Ah, yes... boring songs about being depressed and wanting the girl you can't have. Do you also like to watch the chick flicks for their 'emotional depth'? After all, all I hear from women is that those chick flicks have more emotional depth than action flicks or war movies or crime dramas, etc.

I'm going to randomly pull a song from that album for ya:

Yes and? Are you of the opinion that Jagger is singing about how he wishes he was whipping black women? If you want your emotional depth, what about what is elicited from those hearing how a racist is enjoying whipping and raping black women? Powerful song.

It has incredibly feeling when you add the guitars and drums.

And I find it interesting that you chastise people for pointing at MB20 singles, but yet with the Rolling Stones, what do you go for? That's right, the singles.

It's just not very conducive arguing anything else, especially with text only...

Wait... so since you don't think it's conducing arguing about the feeling coming from the music, because we are using text, you aren't going to argue it at all? Music is probably more important than the lyrics in providing feeling.

The best songs are the ones that you can make your own.

No... the best songs are the ones you can feel the power behind the music and lyrics. One that you can 'groove' to, so to speak.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ah, yes... boring songs about being depressed and wanting the girl you can't have. Do you also like to watch the chick flicks for their 'emotional depth'?

Chick flicks seldom have emotional depth, they're a lot like mainstream pop music actually.

Films with emotional depth are Forest Gump, Schindler's List, etc.

Yes and? Are you of the opinion that Jagger is singing about how he wishes he was whipping black women? If you want your emotional depth, what about what is elicited from those hearing how a racist is enjoying whipping and raping black women? Powerful song.

It has incredibly feeling when you add the guitars and drums.

I'm of the opinion that the song was a blatant attention-grab, as part of their image. Marketing...

This is the same band that tried to rub off the imagine that they were satanic, supposedly, and then came out songs like "Dancing with Mr. D"

The Stones were a brilliant marketing attempt that captured their target audience. Congratulations.

And I find it interesting that you chastise people for pointing at MB20 singles, but yet with the Rolling Stones, what do you go for? That's right, the singles.

Actually it was the first track on the album when I went to look up the album's lyrics. I had no idea it was a single. I wasn't around back then.

Wait... so since you don't think it's conducing arguing about the feeling coming from the music, because we are using text, you aren't going to argue it at all? Music is probably more important than the lyrics in providing feeling.

They're both obviously vital. Some songs are so powerful that they don't need it (like the best classical, and even some modern stuff like the Requiem for a Dream theme, which is brilliant)

No... the best songs are the ones you can feel the power behind the music and lyrics. One that you can 'groove' to, so to speak.

The best songs have both. And that's one thing that's awesome about Rob Thomas, is he really, really gets into the songs when he sings.

You should see him perform live. He's not strutting around doing chicken-dancing like an idiot, he's getting very into the music. He's contorting his face and singing with so much power and emotion that he looks like a goddamn idiot, but the raw power behind the performance is unmatched by live performances like The Stones do.

[Imran Siddiqui]

they're a lot like mainstream pop music actually

Like Matchbox 20!

Films with emotional depth are Forest Gump, Schindler's List, etc.

Forrest Gump!

I'm of the opinion that the song was a blatant attention-grab, as part of their image.

It's "emotional depth" if you like them, but 'part of their image' if you don't... I see.

The best songs have both.

So, I guess you don't think the best classical songs are 'the best songs' if you can't "make them your own" (whatever that means).

Personally I find that silly. "Making them your own" is a ludicrous standard for the 'best songs'.

the raw power behind the performance is unmatched by live performances like The Stones do.

From someone who had no idea 'Brown Sugar' was a single, I doubt you've seen The Stones live. Ask anyone who has; they can tell you about raw power and emotion. Contorting your face and singing hard doesn't make it automatically powerful, or else there are plenty of metal bands which would be considered be the most powerful.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Asher

Oh oh oh oh, we got ourselves a real smart-ass.

There's more to the world than domestic US sales, Kontiki.

Yourself or Someone Like You sold 12M in the US (qualifying it as a "diamond" album, which is way above "multi-platinum"). It was the #1 selling Rock album of the 1990s.

You're right, my bad. Worldwide sales put it at 15 million. The following albums from the 90's outsold it worldwide:

The Bodyguard Soundtrack
Come on Over - Shania Twain
Millenium - Backsteet Boys
Let's Talk About Love - Celine Dion
Falling into You - Celine Dion
Titanic Soundtrack
Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morisette
Music Box - Mariah Carey
Supernatural - Santana
Backstreet Boys - Backstreet Boys
Baby One More Time - Britney Spears
Spice - Spice Girls
Metallica - Metallica
Daydream - Mariah Carey
The Sign/Happy Nation - Ace of Base
Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em - MC Hammer
Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin
The Woman In Me - Shania Twain
All the Way - Celine Dion
The Score - Fugees
(What's the Story) Morning Glory - Oasis
Cracked Rear View - Hootie and the Blowfish
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey
Spice World - Spice Girls
History - Michael Jackson
Romanza - Andrea Bocelli
No Fences - Garth Brooks
Unplugged - Eric Clapton
Use Your Illusion I - Guns n' Roses
Janet - Janet Jackson
Butterfly - Mariah Carey

Granted, I'd only consider seven of those rock albums. Also at 15 million (sorting for just rock):

Achtung Baby - U2
Use Your Illusion II - Guns n' Roses
Bat Out of Hell II - Back Into Hell - Meatloaf

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, I'm not sure where Asher gets this 28 million or whatever... I did some checking and its 14+ million worldwide.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kontiki
You're right, my bad. Worldwide sales put it at 15 million. The following albums from the 90's outsold it worldwide:

The Bodyguard Soundtrack
Come on Over - Shania Twain
Millenium - Backsteet Boys
Let's Talk About Love - Celine Dion
Falling into You - Celine Dion
Titanic Soundtrack
Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morisette
Music Box - Mariah Carey
Supernatural - Santana
Backstreet Boys - Backstreet Boys
Baby One More Time - Britney Spears
Spice - Spice Girls
Metallica - Metallica
Daydream - Mariah Carey
The Sign/Happy Nation - Ace of Base
Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em - MC Hammer
Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin
The Woman In Me - Shania Twain
All the Way - Celine Dion
The Score - Fugees
(What's the Story) Morning Glory - Oasis
Cracked Rear View - Hootie and the Blowfish
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey
Spice World - Spice Girls
History - Michael Jackson
Romanza - Andrea Bocelli
No Fences - Garth Brooks
Unplugged - Eric Clapton
Use Your Illusion I - Guns n' Roses
Janet - Janet Jackson
Butterfly - Mariah Carey

Granted, I'd only consider seven of those rock albums. Also at 15 million (sorting for just rock):

Achtung Baby - U2
Use Your Illusion II - Guns n' Roses
Bat Out of Hell II - Back Into Hell - Meatloaf

That's bull****, my dear.

Where are you pulling this from?

If it sold 12M copies in the US alone, and went platinum 8 times in Australia alone, not to mention all the other countries in the world...you arrive at 15M?

Nice math skills.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, I'm not sure where Asher gets this 28 million or whatever... I did some checking and its 14+ million worldwide.

Again, that's bull****.

It was certified 12x platinum in the US, and 8x platinum in Australia alone.

It's probably well above 25M worldwide by now.

The 28M figure, BTW, is for Santana's Supernatural, which was largely driven due to Smooth...written by Rob Thomas of MB20.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/coming_home/matchbox_twenty_biog.htm

recorded its debut, Yourself or Someone Like You, also with Serletic. The album was released in October 1996 to little attention, but Matchbox Twenty continued to tour America, cultivating a fan base and eventually, through a series of hit singles and great live performances, went on to sell over 14 million copies worldwide.

[Asher]

That information is obviously incorrect, seeing as the official numbers for two countries alone put it at 20M.

And there's more than two countries in the world...

In New Zealand, they went 5 times platinum.

Add those numbers together, gentlemen.

Those figures are from your very source, BTW. What a well researched article that was.

US: 12 times platinum
Australia: 8 times platinum
NZ: 5 times platinum
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14M?

Give it up, gentlemen. I see math is not your strong suit.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://www.mjni.com/news/details.aspx?ArticleNo=508

Matchbox 20 has the 84th best selling album worldwide with 'Yourself or Someone Like You' with 15 million albums sold.

[monkspider]