Ukraine

[Serb]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Duh. Just means that the West gave away the farm in Asia for nothing. This is pretty standard interpretation...

2) Japanese said it was a Soviet attack which forced them to accept their defeat, because it was obvious they couldn't win war vs. such three great powers.

The Japanes gave up because the Americans had just nuked two cities and were threatening to do one every 3 days (they couldn't have kept it up for much longer, but the Japanese couldn't know that). The Russians couldn't do anything to hasten the end of the war in Japan by attacking armies in Manchuria since the Japanese had no way of getting their armies in Manchuria anywhere useful by 1945, given that their fleet consisted of two rowboats by this point.

3) Japan didn't surrender to USSR at Aug 12. Technically we are STILL in war vs. Imperial Japan, since no peace treaty was signed.

Technically shmecnically. The Japanese's balls shrivelled up once their cities started turning into craters. Once the US had shown it could do it a second time the fight went right out of them. The USSR could keep playing in Manchuria all it wanted to. Didn't make a lick of difference to the outcome of the war.

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[BlackCat]

According to my local radio Janukovitj has a crime history - one judgement for robbery and one for rape. If this is true i'm shure that a little election fraud wouldn't bother his nightsleep.

[Serb]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Duh. Just means that the West gave away the farm in Asia for nothing. This is pretty standard interpretation...

Yeah, right. And Truman and Churchill were idiots, right?
American estimated casualties were over than 1 million in case of invasion, iirc.

The Japanes gave up because the Americans had just nuked two cities and were threatening to do one every 3 days (they couldn't have kept it up for much longer, but the Japanese couldn't know that). The Russians couldn't do anything to hasten the end of the war in Japan by attacking armies in Manchuria since the Japanese had no way of getting their armies in Manchuria anywhere useful by 1945, given that their fleet consisted of two rowboats by this point.

1) British and Americans firebombed German cities with no less deadly efficience than nuking of Hirosima and Nagasaki, still Germans fough till last man standing and it was when Red Army captured Berlin when Germans surrendered. US and GB could firebomb Japan cities and completely destroy them without any nukes. What make you think that Japanese were less fanatical fighters than Germans? They had a plans to arm their civilians with spears to protect Japan from the American invasion, in case if you don't know.
2) Why should they have to bring this army elsewhere? This army was protecting Japanese colony in China. This army wasn't take into accout during estimation of American casualties in case of invasion in Japan, iirc, and still this figure was over one million.
3) This 1 million Kwantung army was a capable force that could perfectly figh on their own. China was where Japan's resources were comming from. They didn't need supply routes with core Japan to fight.
4) With enterance of USSR into war, with Soviet successes in Manchuria, Japan lost any hope for stalemate and any will to fight.
5) Anyhow, Soviet campaign in Manchuria was a clear butt-kicking. Like it or not, Red Army demonstrated its combat efficiency once again, by destroying a one million army without one million casualties (like American analysts estimated in case of their invasion to core Japan). Soviet casualties were about 30 thousands, iirc. and they were on offense. It was the fine example of Soviet supremacy in field of doctrines and weaponry. The demostration that in 1945 Red Army was the best army in the world. And it was a fine payback, as well.

Technically shmecnically. The Japanese's balls shrivelled up once their cities started turning into craters. Once the US had shown it could do it a second time the fight went right out of them. The USSR could keep playing in Manchuria all it wanted to. Didn't make a lick of difference to the outcome of the war.

Again, US could bomb their cities to the ground without any nukes, They have already perfected the firestorm technology on German cities. And despite the German cities were burned to the ground, Germans did't surrender utill Red Army destroyed their military force. Were Japanese really less fanatical than Germans? Did they really scared destruction of two cities or they really realized that they can't achieve a stalemate now, when Soviets DOW them and it's obvious that Kwantung army will be lost.


Where the hell is David Floyd?

[Serb]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Hmmm...let's see: hegemonist regional power which barely qualifies as democratic or nonmilitaristic democracy halfway around the world. I wonder which one is more trustworthy...

At least Russia has no British Queen as head of the state.

And you call Canada a nonmilitaristic democracy?

In Vicky's terms you are British dominion.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Odin
Serb, your state media is so full of idiotic propaganda it makes FOX news look unbiased.

Like you can speak Russian to make such suggestions.

[Serb]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
By the way, the Ukraine parliament has dismissed the electoral results as invalid.

So the only people who believe in the poll are the guy who "won" it and Russia

Versus the parliament of the Ukraine, international election observers and most of the world's countries.

Did you read posts in this thread?

It doesn't really matter. Only the current Ukranian president Kuchma can dismiss the electoral commision. Neither Ukranian parliament nor world's countries and their ohsh!tervers have power to do so in accordance with the Ukranian constitution.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid


Well, after reading the links on this, I would say the information is rather vague. They were talking about "treated for a viral skin infection" without giving more details. Also, chemicals "not of a food origin" was mentioned. link
I want to know exactly what they referred to

Fine. At least we are agreed that it's pretty stupid, at best, to believe in diagnosis based on photo. Personaly I think that if any, at least remoted confirmation of this poisoning version existed, then Ukranian and Austrian medics that examinated Yushenko would already made it open for the public. This could be a real scandal and so many people in Ukranian opposition were interested in such outcome. But since they didn't, I prefer to believe that Yushenko just experimented for too long with a plastic surgery and caught a virus which destroyed his face. Just look at Jackson. He is a freak now. The same with Yushenko. Plastic surgery produces freaks, paedophiles and whining loosers or all of the above.

That's why I don't believe in this BS poisoning story.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Serb
Fine. At least we are agreed that it's pretty stupid, at best, to believe in diagnosis based on photo.

I prefer to believe that Yushenko just experimented for too long with a plastic surgery and caught a virus which destroyed his face.

That you didn't see the inherent contradiction here, within the same paragraph, is most amusing.

[Serb]

Have fun then, I see no contradiction.

I prefer this version, because hell know how many medics examinated him, find no poisons and suggested his sickness was caused by virus (probably as side effect of plasitc surgery).

[Az]

[Serb]

Are you sure it's the proper thread for this pic?

[Az]

I think you're somewhere in that part of the globe.

[Serb]

Egypt?

WTF?

[Boris Godunov]

Da Nile. It ain't just a river in Egypt, you know.

[Mordoch]

By the way, it does look like the opposition is beginning to take effective control in Kiev.

On Friday morning five days into Ukraine's popular revolt, I was having to force my way through the barricades.

They had sprung up all over the centre of Kiev, on every street, paralysing government.

People were blocking the entrance to every official building. By sheer force of numbers, with one simple act of standing out in the snow, they have made this country almost impossible to run.

I had arranged a meeting with an ally of the prime minister, the official winner of the election. He couldn't make it.

He wasn't able to cross the barricades. When I eventually found him, he was looking a little shaken.

"Can you believe it," he said. "They wouldn't let me through. They cried 'shame, shame' at me. I feel hunted, like a fox."

Power of the people

I have seen revolutions in the Philippines and the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. The dynamics on the streets are fascinating to watch.

The way the crowds build until they reach a critical mass, so large that almost nothing can stop them. The mass senses it has enough power to face down the state. You can feel it in the air.

In Kiev on Friday that tipping point had almost been reached. I watched as squads of police cadets marched down the hill in double-quick time to join the protest. People lining the pavements greeted them with cheers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4046251.stm