The Triumph of Christianity

[Ben Kenobi]

Very true.

The third world needs to increase their population density. It is only by getting most of their population living in towns, and an overall jump in population, will they be able to industrialise.

The West is not helping them by encouraging them to constrain their growth, rather they ensure that their growth will never supercede the West.

That's why I'm laughing at China. They have cut their population in half through their one child policy. Sure, they reap the benefits now, but when they start to implode, they will regret this.

Probably the biggest source of the prosperity of Europe is their population density, and dramatic growth alongside the Industrial Revolution. The two fuelled each other.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Probably the biggest source of the prosperity of Europe is their population density, and dramatic growth alongside the Industrial Revolution. The two fuelled each other.

Ben, you really cannot believe this.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Very true.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Very true.

The third world needs to increase their population density. It is only by getting most of their population living in towns, and an overall jump in population, will they be able to industrialise.

they might have to concentrate in urban areas, but they certainly don't need any growth - on the contrary. Such an urbanisation should at least result in a dramatically lower population growth.

The West is not helping them by encouraging them to constrain their growth, rather they ensure that their growth will never supercede the West.

BS. Not a nice word, but it is needed. Growth isn't any longer a question of heads but more about skills.

That's why I'm laughing at China. They have cut their population in half through their one child policy. Sure, they reap the benefits now, but when they start to implode, they will regret this.

It might sound crazy that a hard core someway to the right as i am, but i think that Mao etc. did the rigth thing when they started the "one child" policy. If not, i think WW3 would be a real threat.

Probably the biggest source of the prosperity of Europe is their population density, and dramatic growth alongside the Industrial Revolution. The two fuelled each other.

No, the real wealth lies in the education of people, not in the numbers. You may be rigth in the early 2000 but not later.

Edit : windows did "funny" things.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, you really cannot believe this.

Why not? What's wrong with this?

Greater population density = greater specialisation = greater productivity.

Greater productivity = more food available.

More food = greater population that can be supported in any one area, which repeats the cycle.

[Ben Kenobi]

they might have to concentrate in urban areas, but they certainly don't need any growth - on the contrary. Such an urbanisation should at least result in a dramatically lower population growth.

Why? That's not what happened in Europe. What did happen is that as they urbanised, population shot up.

Not a nice word, but it is needed. Growth isn't any longer a question of heads but more about skills.

Oh, it isn't a nice word. But it is true. The folks in Europe do not want the Third world to grow and develop, and to rival them in prosperity. They would much rather that they do not industrialise, and let their population decline, so that they cannot support and advanced economy.

This is why you have all the population control regimes supported by the UN, and financed by European governments that are afraid of losing influence.

And I include Canada among this, as they are supporters of the UN policies.

It might sound crazy that a hard core someway to the right as i am, but i think that Mao etc. did the rigth thing when they started the "one child" policy. If not, i think WW3 would be a real threat.

And this is why you do the above, and why you want to keep the other countries weak, so that they do not challenge the west.

The greatest thing that Mao did for China, is to give them 50 years to make their mark, after which, everything will collapse, as it has in Russia.

As it is, you have all those dry branches, young men of our age, without wives, and without much of a future, who are in the military. Mao's policy is part of the incendiary building up in China.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Very true.

The third world needs to increase their population density. It is only by getting most of their population living in towns, and an overall jump in population, will they be able to industrialise.

they might have to concentrate in urban areas, but they certainly don't need any growth - on the contrary. Such an urbanisation should at least result in a dramatically lower population growth.

The West is not helping them by encouraging them to constrain their growth, rather they ensure that their growth will never supercede the West.

BS. Not a nice word, but it is needed. Growth isn't any longer a question of heads but more about skills.

That's why I'm laughing at China. They have cut their population in half through their one child policy. Sure, they reap the benefits now, but when they start to implode, they will regret this.

It might sound crazy that a hard core someway to the right as i am, but i think that Mao etc. did the rigth thing when they started the "one child" policy. If not, i think WW3 would be a real threat.

Probably the biggest source of the prosperity of Europe is their population density, and dramatic growth alongside the Industrial Revolution. The two fuelled each other.

No, the real wealth lies in the education of people, not in the numbers. You may be rigth in the early 2000 but not later.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Very true.

The third world needs to increase their population density. It is only by getting most of their population living in towns, and an overall jump in population, will they be able to industrialise.

they might have to concentrate in urban areas, but they certainly don't need any growth - on the contrary. Such an urbanisation should at least result in a dramatically lower population growth.

The West is not helping them by encouraging them to constrain their growth, rather they ensure that their growth will never supercede the West.

BS. Not a nice word, but it is needed. Growth isn't any longer a question of heads but more about skills.

That's why I'm laughing at China. They have cut their population in half through their one child policy. Sure, they reap the benefits now, but when they start to implode, they will regret this.

It might sound crazy that a hard core someway to the right as i am, but i think that Mao etc. did the rigth thing when they started the "one child" policy. If not, i think WW3 would be a real threat.

Probably the biggest source of the prosperity of Europe is their population density, and dramatic growth alongside the Industrial Revolution. The two fuelled each other.

No, the real wealth lies in the education of people, not in the numbers. You may be rigth in the early 2000 but not later.

[Ben Kenobi]

DP!

[CharlesBHoff]

The China population polcy of one child start after Mao die, in the middle 1980's the polcy start.

The Population of nonmuslim Europe in the 9th century about 5,000,000 people in the entire Frankish Empire at 800 CE. While muslim Spain have than population of 4,000,000 to 5,000,000 muslim have very good farming skilled so they can grow alots of food in the least amount of land.

The Entire Frankish Empire cover France,Beligon, Holland, Denmark, Swizzland,Germany, than good part of Eastern Europe(Slav People where the word Slave came come) the Frank sold slave to the muslim in Spain.

[Heresson]

Denmark I think it didn't contain. Germany - only western part of modern Germany. Slavs - nope, it was Charlemagne allied with Odobrzyce tribe and defeated Wieleci, but none of them were part of Frankish empire.
It contained at least for some time parts of modern-day Austria and Hungary, though.
I think your numbers are aren't quite true, and it is not very much probable that Muslims were a majority in Spain at this time as well.
The roots of slave word can be questioned.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Oh, it isn't a nice word. But it is true. The folks in Europe do not want the Third world to grow and develop, and to rival them in prosperity. They would much rather that they do not industrialise, and let their population decline, so that they cannot support and advanced economy.

United States does not want to see African and Latin American countries to industrialize, either.

[BlackCat]

Herreson : You are right about "denmark" if you take the geographical area - the state didn't exist before approx 935. Still, the area though wasn't a part of the frankish empire - on the contrary - vikings from the area did a good push to its fall through their raids.

[Heresson]

Yes, so Charles is wrong.
Nothing new.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
DP!

Yeah, i tried to clear up the quote mess in the first and ended up DP.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Why? That's not what happened in Europe. What did happen is that as they urbanised, population shot up.

Coz they don't have to do the long stretch to get to a state where many children are unwanted as it happend when the west got industrialized.

Oh, it isn't a nice word. But it is true. The folks in Europe do not want the Third world to grow and develop, and to rival them in prosperity. They would much rather that they do not industrialise, and let their population decline, so that they cannot support and advanced economy.

This is why you have all the population control regimes supported by the UN, and financed by European governments that are afraid of losing influence.

And I include Canada among this, as they are supporters of the UN policies.

Surely, some people has that opinion, but they are few - funny enough - many of those are to the left. If you look at the industry, they certainly are doing a hard work to industrialize the third world. Just take the danish textile industry (small in the big world but still several thousand jobs). After the fall of the wall they have moved their production several times - first to the baltic later ukraine and now they are moving further east. Everytime it's done because the current country has developed with raising salaries as result.

And this is why you do the above, and why you want to keep the other countries weak, so that they do not challenge the west.

I thought that this viewpoint was long ago declared null and void. No sensible owner of a production wants poor people - they want rich people that can buy their products. What they are most afraid of is countires where things can be produced at a lower cost.

The greatest thing that Mao did for China, is to give them 50 years to make their mark, after which, everything will collapse, as it has in Russia.

As it is, you have all those dry branches, young men of our age, without wives, and without much of a future, who are in the military. Mao's policy is part of the incendiary building up in China.

And what about a scenario where the chinese population had grown to lets say 1.8 Bill ? No work, not enough farmland - what would they then do ?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Heresson
Denmark I think it didn't contain. Germany - only western part of modern Germany. Slavs - nope, it was Charlemagne allied with Odobrzyce tribe and defeated Wieleci, but none of them were part of Frankish empire.
It contained at least for some time parts of modern-day Austria and Hungary, though.
I think your numbers are aren't quite true, and it is not very much probable that Muslims were a majority in Spain at this time as well.
The roots of slave word can be questioned.

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I didnot say Spain have 5,000,000 muslim. Muslim Spain have 5,000,000 people. Since Muslim rule Spain at that time and to avoid confusion with modern Spain scholar use the word Muslim Spain. The Frank did conqust Denmark and forcely by sword force the pagon to convert to Christian. The word for Slave have it root from Slavs as so many where enslave by the frank only about the 1/3 where sold to the muslim as personal slaves and many where able to gain they freedom from the muslim.

The Frank Empire have a Danish March which is basely ocupty land.