Dealing with Fundamentalism: Secular alternative, or take back the church?

[Whaleboy]

Isn't it better to enlighten people rather than dragging them into the gutter?

Indeed. Biology lessons should include details on evolution, apparently such education is lacking in the US which we in the UK (where evolution is prevalent among the public) take for granted. Critical lessons in debunking the assumptions of faith, thus helping to eliminate the critically fallacious "the bible says so" arguments and one would hope philosophy arguments so that the arguments for God's existence are shown to the public to be the weak and ridiculous excuses for a logical justification of personal emotive idiocy that they are.

[Ben Kenobi]

Skywalker:

Being the light under the bushel I see.

[Whaleboy]

Faith is based upon more than mere opinion.

Do elaborate!

[Whaleboy]

Being the light under the bushel I see.

You can do better than that

Unfortunately, seeing as how I have eaten all the tuna in the house, I will have to satisfy the munchies with either hours of sleep. Be back tomorrow .

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Skywalker:

Being the light under the bushel I see.

?

[Ben Kenobi]

Indeed. Biology lessons should include details on evolution, apparently such education is lacking in the US which we in the UK (where evolution is prevalent among the public) take for granted. Critical lessons in debunking the assumptions of faith, thus helping to eliminate the critically fallacious "the bible says so" arguments and one would hope philosophy arguments so that the arguments for God's existence are shown to the public to be the weak and ridiculous excuses for a logical justification of personal emotive idiocy that they are.

So then, when taught all this, and given omnipotence, you **** chicks?

I didn't need all this education to think of this brilliant concept.

[Ben Kenobi]

Skywalker:

That's a biblical allusion, and a pun. 'bush'el.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Indeed. Biology lessons should include details on evolution, apparently such education is lacking in the US which we in the UK (where evolution is prevalent among the public) take for granted.

The things you hear about in the news are extremely rare exceptions, because it is impossible to teach high-school level biology without teaching evolution.

[Whaleboy]

So then, when taught all this, and given omnipotence, you **** chicks?

Suppose you're god. You don't need to worry about going to heaven or hell, you're going to exist forever, your omnipotence, omniscience and infinite wealth and wisdom is assured. What is left but gratification?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Skywalker:

That's a biblical allusion, and a pun. 'bush'el.

I still don't get it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do elaborate!

Why not!

Christians base their claim on the death and resurrection of Christ.

If he died and rose again, he is God, and the Christian testimony ought to be accepted.

If he did not, than Christianity is false, and should be rejected.

No need for the rest of your fancy skepticism, which nibbles the corners, rather than crushing the centre.

[Whaleboy]

The things you hear about in the news are extremely rare exceptions, because it is impossible to teach high-school level biology without teaching evolution.

Apparently not, I read in this months national geographic.... 45% of Americans believe in strict creationism, 37% believe in a combination of evolution and creationism and merely 12% concur with 99.98% of scientists who hold that atheistic evolution is the case. They put that down to creationists interferring with attempts to teach evolution (a la monkey trial), general ignorance and the prevalence of popular religion and media to teach evolution, the best of which is left to wildlife documentaries.

[Ben Kenobi]

I still don't get it.

You say it is possible to be enlightened, and yet to keep your mind in the gutter.

When you do this you are keeping your light, (enlightened), under a bushel, (bush).

It works both ways, if you look up the biblical allusion. You are wasting your talents.

[Kuciwalker]

Just because most Americans don't bother to remember their high school biology doesn't mean it isn't taught. Face it, the stuff taught there is useless to 99% of the population.

I'd also be interested in seeing the statistics for Europe those numbers are meaningless otherwise.

[Whaleboy]

Christians base their claim on the death and resurrection of Christ.

If he died and rose again, he is God, and the Christian testimony ought to be accepted.

That's still faith in the story, you're merely describing what they have faith in. I *could* have faith in the deterministic properties of the freckles on the nose of the giant pixie, just as BS as God, but still faith.