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  • The European Parliament: now with balls!

    From the BBC:

    Barroso backs down over EU vote
    A vote to approve the new European Commission has been delayed after the incoming president withdrew his proposed line-up of commissioners.

    Jose Manuel Barroso said more time was needed to choose a commission that the European Parliament would approve.

    MEPs had threatened to veto the new commission over the inclusion of Rocco Buttiglione, who has expressed controversial views on gays and women.

    Mr Buttiglione had been chosen as justice and home affairs commissioner.

    The new commission had been due to start work on 1 November.

    Incumbent commission leader Romano Prodi and his commission will now remain in office until a new team is approved, but there is no clear protocol on how to proceed.

    I have come to the conclusion that if a vote is taken today, the outcome will not be positive for European institutions or for the European project
    Jose Manuel Barroso

    To applause from MEPs, Mr Barroso told parliament he believed the outcome of Wednesday's vote would not have been "positive for the European institutions or the European project".

    "In these circumstances, I have decided not to submit a new commission for approval today."

    He added: "I need more time to look at this issue and to consult with the council... so that we can have strong support for the new commission."

    Mr Barroso said he would consult EU leaders and parliament before putting forward new proposals "in the next few weeks".

    Victory

    The BBC's Tim Franks says MEPs who had planned to vote against the commission believe Mr Barroso's move marks a decisive shift in who wields what power inside the European Union.

    He says Mr Barroso has two choices: to reshuffle his commission line-up and put Mr Buttiglione in a less contentious portfolio or ask Italy to propose another candidate.

    Parliament President Josep Borrell said the EU was now entering "virgin political territory".

    Socialist floor leader Martin Schulz said the outcome was "a victory for the European Parliament, especially for my group".

    On Tuesday, Mr Barroso had made last-ditch pleas to deputies to back his team, but refused to seek a replacement for Mr Buttiglione.

    Mr Buttiglione, an Italian, recently said he regarded homosexuality as a sin and he suggested unmarried women made bad mothers.

    The Italian press reported on Wednesday that Mr Buttiglione had refused a request from Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to withdraw his candidacy.

    Solution

    Ulster Unionist MEP Jim Nicholson was among those who welcomed the decision to postpone the vote, but said the setback has not been helped by Mr Barroso's "inaction".

    "This is a setback but it is not the end of the world, by any means," he said.

    "However, I would have to add that MEPs will be looking at three or four other commissioners who do not appear to be up for the job."

    Hans-Gert Poettering, head of the conservative European People's Party, which had been expected to support Mr Barroso's new team, said: "We are all confident to find a solution."

    The 732-member parliament cannot choose to reject Mr Buttiglione alone - deputies must accept or reject the new commission as a whole.

    The 24 new commissioners were initially put forward by the governments of individual member states.


    At last!

    The Parliament has finally shown Barroso who's the boss, by pressuring him into removing an unacceptable commissioner.

    This is excellent news for the European democracy, as the Parliament now dares to wield its power. This sure makes a difference with the past (including the very recent past), where the EU-Parli was full of "yes-men", who feared to threaten the Holy Consensus if they stood for their beliefs.

    This is good news for the European democracy in two aspects:
    - It shifts power from the individual governments toward the Parliament. Some years before, Italy would have never thought its candidate could possibly be worried by what was an unimportant institution.
    - It is the first time I'm aware of, that the European Parliament is successful at pushing a decision based on ideology. Should the trend continue, the EU will be closer to the voter at last, because a vote is mostly determined by one's worldview (meaning that the worldview of the Europeans will finally be taken into account)

    Here's hoping the European Socialists will now continue having guts, and will now use their newly found power to do something about the terrible state of our economic policies.
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

  • #2
    BTW mods, please do not close this thread because of that one

    The purpose of this here thread is not to talk about Christianty and the EU's "persecution" of it. It is about the shift in power within EU institurions.
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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    • #3
      I love the irony: the leader of the anti-Buttiglione coalition was Martin Schulz. You know... The "Kapo" by Berlusconi's words
      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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      • #4
        The European Parlaiment actually did something
        OMG!
        Stop Quoting Ben

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        • #5


          But was there really a majority against the new commission?
          CSPA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gangerolf


            But was there really a majority against the new commission?
            It's unknown. The Socialists, Greens and Communists would have voted against it. But I don't know what the Anti-Europeans and the Liberals would have done. Buttiglione's comments were a slap in the face of what the liberals stand for, but they're also the most fanatical guardians of the Consensus.

            I suppose Barroso didn't know either if his Commission would be shot down or not. And that's why he chose to back down, rather than risk creating a political crisis, with the EU voting against his Commission.
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Boshko
              The European Parlaiment actually did something
              OMG!
              Crazy, innit?

              I would have never believed it myself
              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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              • #8
                It seems like the responsibility (in lack of a better word) to get teh Consensus has shifted from the Parliament to the Commission:


                He added: "I need more time to look at this issue and to consult with the council... so that we can have strong support for the new commission."


                Mr Barroso said he would consult EU leaders and parliament before putting forward new proposals "in the next few weeks".




                Which of course is good because the Parliament is actually elected by the people as opposed to the Commission which isn't.
                CSPA

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                • #9
                  Precisely.

                  Until now, the Commission took its role of arbitrator dearly... That is, arbitrator between national interests. The Parliament was rarely the target of the Commission's mission of Consensus, only when it was in complete disagreement with the Council.

                  Now, the Parliament is openly hostile with the choice of the Member-States (of one Member-State, to be accurate), and Barroso has understood it's his job, not the Parliament's, to find a compromise.

                  It's a good omen for Barroso's rule, as he now knows he's not the boss
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #10
                    Balls

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                    • #11
                      Cojones
                      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                      - Paul Valery

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                      • #12
                        BTW, I learned that no less than 6 would-be Commissioners were harshly criticized:

                        - Buttiglione, as we all know.
                        - The would-be Commissioner to competition, who was on the Boards Of Directors of 13 companies...
                        - The Danish candidate, who was also considered biased for some economic interests
                        - The Hungarian candidate, who was deemed "incompetent" by the normally polite EP.
                        - One candidate was anti-European.
                        Can't remember about the last one.

                        To think that this atrocious Commission would have probably passed, if it was not for Buttiglione's bigoted comments. Thank you bigotry! You saved our day

                        (BTW, Martin Schulz, leader of the anti-Commission coalition warned Barroso not to come back with the same candidates. He seems keen on proving he has balls several times Really, the times are changing )
                        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                        • #13
                          Ok playing the devils advocate.

                          Maybe you got democracy, but it has just been used to curb political freedom.

                          That is politicians do not enjoy freedom of speech, nor the right to freely associate (with corporations).

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                          • #14
                            power away from local governments -> more power grabbing for france and germany. Don't believe so? Yeah, at the end the cycle goes there. Nay sayers of course will deny this, but then again, they are always french, or germans, or TRUE EUROS.

                            Not necessarily saying this action was bad itself. Euros love bureocracy. I don't.
                            In da butt.
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                            • #15
                              What will happen the commision propose another candidate who is more in line with the socialist faction.

                              Will this new candidate then not be attacked by the conservative faction?

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