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Re: Re: "Why I voted for Bush"
That's silly. You don't have any experience, do you?Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So if I told you America was perfect you'd vote for me?
No place is perfect. But, America is far from being in trouble. Outside of the Iraqi War, Bush's opponents only have predictable objections. These criticisms, even if valid, have no bearing on the stability and vitality of America. The US has survived in spite of leadership. Out of the 43 Presidents, how many do you think really made a difference? Three? Four?
I'm better off than I was 4 years ago, my family is better of than 4 years ago, my community is better off than 4 years ago, and on and on. And Iraq, when it is said and done, will be much, much better off than it was 4 years ago. Afghanistan obviously is."What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
--- Tom Paxton song ('63)Comment
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Please don't throw me in that briar patch. You mean to say the CSA will rise again? A kinder, gentler CSA . You musn't tease me this way. So unfair!Originally posted by dannubis
all great empires fell from the inside. and it is happening again, in front of our eyes."What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
--- Tom Paxton song ('63)Comment
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I guess he's talking about the US embassy in Tehran.Originally posted by Spiffor
What part of the US was invaded during Carter?"What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
--- Tom Paxton song ('63)Comment
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Re: Re: Re: "Why I voted for Bush"
Most Presidents do make a difference because they have easy access to the public and they have great influence over the congress because of this. It is simply not the case that Presidents don't make a difference. Your arguement is especially odd considering you seem to be saying that Bush might be a terrible leader, but it doesn't really matter so you might as well vote for him. Ehh? In any case, I think it is harder to name Presidents that didn't make a difference. Here are a few that did: Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Jackson, both Roosevelts, Clinton, Bush (both), and Reagen. There are many, many more.Originally posted by dojoboy
No place is perfect. But, America is far from being in trouble. Outside of the Iraqi War, Bush's opponents only have predictable objections. These criticisms, even if valid, have no bearing on the stability and vitality of America. The US has survived in spite of leadership. Out of the 43 Presidents, how many do you think really made a difference? Three? Four?
And just because criticism is "predictable" doesn't mean the criticism isn't valid. I have yet to see most of my criticism adequately responded to, and I can only assume it is because there is no response. All the Bush supporters have is rhetoric.
And America is in trouble. World Powers collapse historically because they overreach themselves. They start thinking they don't need allies to do what they want and that they can force everyone to agree with them. That sort of thinking and behavior always spells the end of a world power. That sort of thinking is exactly the same kind of thinking Bush has; Instead of working on international treaties that a lot of time has been invested in, he just leaves; Instead of working with other countries on Iraq, he dictates what will happen; Instead of listening to the relevent countries around North Korea, he ignores their please for bilateral talks. This is why the world doesn't like him, and over time this sort of attitude will make it so that America has less and less of a say in international affairs. As the world goes on, we'll be left behind.
And, as I have said, there are many other criticisms of the administration that are not responded to. You say you trust Bush more? Well he lies a lot more and in worse ways than Kerry, and that is simply a fact. I have never seen a Bush supporter try to defend Bush on this adequately, the best I have gotten is that counting is apparently subjective.
Most communities are not better off, most families are not better off, most people are not better off. This is simply a fact of the current economic situation alone, to say nothing of other matters.Originally posted by dojoboy
I'm better off than I was 4 years ago, my family is better of than 4 years ago, my community is better off than 4 years ago, and on and on. And Iraq, when it is said and done, will be much, much better off than it was 4 years ago. Afghanistan obviously is.
In addition, Iraq is causing a massive increase in the number of terrorists. The world is not better off. Bush has shown he can't listen to criticism on his plans regarding Iraq; he ignores generals that ask for more troops he ignores them asking for more supplies. Iraq will not be handled in a decent way if Bush remains in office, because Bush refuses to see that there is a problem. Heck, 50 Iraqi security forces going home on leave were killed. They were unguarded and had no weapons. That's *our* fault for not helping them watch their backs in such a dangerous time, and Bush hasn't done anything about it.
This is the same administration that ignored warnings that something big was coming before 9/11. They ignored a memo entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack within United States", a memo that by its very nature the president must have read. They ignored memos wherein it was stated that Al Qaeda has terrorist cells within the U.S. They were given a plan on how to handle terrorism and deal with it, but refused to admit it was a plan and instead called it "a list of actionable items"...that's what a plan is!*
Apparently, however, incompetence and stupidy are not significant issues to the supporters of Bush.
-Drachasor
*All this was said to the 9/11 commission by the Bush Administration."If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I was following the conversation.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Somethng is wrong with your theory if you feel the need to comment on something without following the conversation.
First there was talk over who had more murdered under his watch, Bush or Carter. Outside the U.S. of course.
Then you switched it to who had more American territory occupied under his watch.
Then I tossed in the fact that Carter had nothing like 9/11 happen under his watch.
I suppose I could have said that Falluja was taken from us under Bush's watch. However, mentioning 9/11 is not signficantly different then the type change you mentioned.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Drachasor, google for Kerry's lies. You'll have plenty to read. Me recounting them here is futile."What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
--- Tom Paxton song ('63)Comment
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They've been pretty well documented and they are fewer and less significant than Bush's lies.
All politicians lie. My main issue here is that you do not reward the type of incompetance the Bush Administration has shown by re-electing them.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I also think the Republicans have a more dedicated base then then the Democrats. I guess telling religious people "our religion is under attavk" or telling millionares that Republicans will cut their taxes amount to better motivating factors then the Democrats' message of social responsability.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You have to ask yourself what's going on if so many Conservatives are voting Kerry, but Bush looks even odds to win.
Bush has mobalized his base much better than Kerry has.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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google: "senator kerry" liesOriginally posted by dojoboy
Drachasor, google for Kerry's lies. You'll have plenty to read. Me recounting them here is futile.
result: 71,000 hits.
google: "president george w. bush" lies
result: 132,000 hits
google: "senator john kerry" lies
result: 34,000 hits.
And factcheck.org, the site I referenced before, does both parties and is non-partisan. Cheney, in his debate, told people to go look at it.
Your recounting is apparently futile because you know that Bush lies more. That's the only reasoning I can see. Afterall, if you google Bush's lies, you get a lot more reading material.
-Drachasor
PS. there is more than one Senator Kerry in history, and more than one in recent history."If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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To argue my candidate lies less than your candidate is asinine.Originally posted by Drachasor
Your recounting is apparently futile because you know that Bush lies more. That's the only reasoning I can see. Afterall, if you google Bush's lies, you get a lot more reading material."What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
--- Tom Paxton song ('63)Comment
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Why do that when all it will bring you is a partisan hack web site? If you want to get a truly good neutral opinion about which politician is lying about what then go to factcheck.org. Factcheck is run by the Annenburg Public Policy Center and was founded by Walter Annenburg who was a high ranking political appointee of Richard Nixon. Even Dick Cheney believes factcheck to be unbiased and he promoted it during the VP debates. In a rare agreement the Democrats agree with the Republicans that factcheck is the best source to get neutral evaluations to help determine when a candidate is lying or telling the truth.Originally posted by dojoboy
Drachasor, google for Kerry's lies. You'll have plenty to read. Me recounting them here is futile.
Check it out you may learn alot.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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The trouble with people that say something is unbiased... they're inclined to say that about sources that concur with them. I don't know anything about that source I'm just talking generally."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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Indeed.
And Dojoboy:
To say "your candidate lies!" as a counter to complaints about your candidate, who lies too (and even more), is assinine.
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Except you are only backing off now that it is clear Bush lies a lot more than Kerry.Originally posted by dojoboy
To argue my candidate lies less than your candidate is asinine.
You can't defend your position, so naturally arguing for it is asinine.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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