380 TONS of Explosives (HMX, RDX) in Iraq Left Unsecured, Now Looted!

[Japher]

It is when those sites and facilities were built in the last 10 years and those scientist are saying that they were working on WMD within the last 10 years.

You are claiming the same as saying cause Saddam had a building, and trained auto engineers, and aluminum, and tires, he must NOT have been making cars, even if the plants lie recently abandonned, the engineers are now home, and the tires and aluminium are in storage in a warehouse.

The manufacturing facility I work at keeps stuff in a warehouse, we go home, and turn the lights off. In a time of war, if that war were here, we probably won't go to work.

[Ramo]

Neither guy is saying that he worked on WMD's in the past 10 years. I specifically demonstrated that.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Japher
It is when those sites and facilities were built in the last 10 years and those scientist are saying that they were working on WMD within the last 10 years.

Within the last 10 years takes us back to 1994. Who gives a **** what was going on in 1994, if by 2003 it had ended?

You are claiming the same as saying cause Saddam had a building, and trained auto engineers, and aluminum, and tires, he must NOT have been making cars, even if the plants lie recently abandonned, the engineers are now home, and the tires and aluminium are in storage in a warehouse.

YES!

And you find a logical problem with that!? I mean, the fact the plant lies abandoned and the stuff is in a warehouse, it is pretty obvious cars are not being made, and have not been made since the plant was abandoned. Last time I checked, that is common sense.
And again, it was his actual current behavior, NOT past behavior, that mattered.

The manufacturing facility I work at keeps stuff in a warehouse, we go home, and turn the lights off. In a time of war, if that war were here, we probably won't go to work.

Except you seem to ignore the balantly obvious, clear and succinct fact that all the people who could have been working on WMD programs have all affirmed, and the forensic evidence backs them up, that by 2000 these programs had ended!

I mean, jesus ****! THE ENTIRE IRAQI TEAM OF WMD SCIENTISTS STATES THAT THE PROGRAMS WERE DORMANT AND GOING NOWHERE! What the hell more do you need? A signed affidavit from each scientist in triplicate, signed in blood?

[Japher]

The Washington Post is a liberal rag. There, your rebuttal is refuted just as well as you refuted mine

have a nice day

[GePap]

Then read the goddamed report by the adminstration

Here you go, all 1000 pages:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

[Japher]

And you find a logical problem with that!? I mean, the fact the plant lies abandoned and the stuff is in a warehouse, it is pretty obvious cars are not being made, and have not been made since the plant was abandoned.

Of course it will be abandoned. I'd get the hell out of dodge to if some psycho came barreling through my country with a giant army at his back. Wouldn't you?

And again, it was his actual current behavior, NOT past behavior, that mattered.

So, if he had made the bombs in 1999 you'd be all fine and dandy with that?

forensic evidence backs them up, that by 2000 these programs had ended!

with what results?

signed affidavit from each scientist in triplicate, signed in blood?

Didn't we already get that?

[Japher]

Then read the goddamed report by the adminstration

Nope, can't do that. You already told me they're liars.

[chequita guevara]

You just like seeing GePap's eyes bug out, don't you?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Japher
So, if he had made the bombs in 1999 you'd be all fine and dandy with that?

1.Yes, cause he would have neevr been stupid enough to use it against us, or give it to anyone else.

2. The question is utterly immaterial to our discussion of the here, now, and last 2 years.

And I linked the entire report for you above.

[chequita guevara]

All the evidence we have says the programs were discontinued more than ten years ago, right-wing nut jobs not withstanding.

[Japher]

1.Yes, cause he would have neevr been stupid enough to use it against us, or give it to anyone else.

And you are sure of this?

2. The question is utterly immaterial to our discussion of the here, now, and last 2 years.

No it's not. Iraq has been under US scrutiny for the past 2 years. Only an idiot would continue a nuclear weapons program during such a time. A smart man would cover it up.

[Ramo]

I like your style of arguing, Japher. You're saying that you totally lost this debate? Yes, that's true you did, thanks for admitting that.

[GePap]

For those who don't like 1000 pages of reading, here are 19 pages with the basic results.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

And with that rational debating ends- if Japher wants to continue being blind to the facts staring him in the eyes, fine by me.

[axi]

High strength aluminum, precision welding, milling machines, and explosives aren't all you need to produce a nuke.

If that were all we needed, we could build a nuke in my university lab. We even have the explosives handy, since we are studying explosive forming techniques. We also have the technicians, the engineers and the software to build the thing properly.

I didn't see any IAEA inspectors knocking on our door.

[Japher]

Yeah, well your Greek. Everyone knows you'll get halfway done with it and blow it off to go watch a soccer game than declare it finished even though it's not...

'cept for MarkG of course