380 TONS of Explosives (HMX, RDX) in Iraq Left Unsecured, Now Looted!

[Chemical Ollie]

The explosives as they are would be useless for making a nuke. They need to be formed into shaped charges with micrometer precision, which takes sophisticated tools and skills to use them.

They are as much WMD as a chunk of aluminium that could be used to make the bomb hull.

The explosives are probably excellent for guerilla and terrorist activities, though.

[Sava]

dammit, there Kerry goes talking about tests again... I wish he'd stop that.

[ixnay]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_24.php#003777

What also emerges in the Nelson Report is that the Defense Department has been trying to keep this secret for some time. The DOD even went so far as to order the Iraqis not to inform the IAEA that the materials had gone missing. Informing the IAEA, of course, would lead to it becoming public knowledge in the United States.

From the Nelson Report:

Since the explosives went missing last year, sources say DOD and other elements in the Administration sought to block the IAEA from officially reporting the problem, and also tried to stop the new Iraqi Interim Government from cooperating with the IAEA. But finally, on Oct. 10, the Iraqi’s formally notified the IAEA, and on Oct. 15, the IAEA formally notified the Bush Administration. In press guidance prepared for release in the event news got out, but not released until today, when requested by The Nelson Report, State Department spokesmen confirmed the Iraqi government and IAEA report dates, and that 350 tons of dual use high explosives could not be accounted for.

[Sava]

Bush

[MrFun]

Four more years of lies, deceivements, and corruption!!




VOTE FOR BUSH!!

[Gibsie]

I'm just making sure, because I know the guy's not a fool... but Japher's posts in this thread are parody, right, like some of the posts from Drachasor, Mr. Fun and Boshko?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Japher


Not alone, but with the evidence of all the other material that has been found since the "end of the war" it does raise some significant questions that should not just be dismissed as you all will hasten to so quickly.

I'm not trying to formulate a conspiracy theory. However, when ALL the materials needed to make a nuclear weapon (ALL, not just some) are found to have existed in Iraq in a short time frame prior to the start of the war it really makes you wonder if there was something sinister going on.

Russia has ALL the materials to build a time machine except for the know-how.
Russia hates the United States.

Coincidence? I don't think so~!!11!!1

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Russia has ALL the materials to build a time machine except for the know-how.
Russia hates the United States.

Coincidence? I don't think so~!!11!!1

A chronosphere?

[Nubclear]

Ever wonder why the Soviets won the war?

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
The explosives as they are would be useless for making a nuke. They need to be formed into shaped charges with micrometer precision, which takes sophisticated tools and skills to use them.

They are as much WMD as a chunk of aluminium that could be used to make the bomb hull.

The explosives are probably excellent for guerilla and terrorist activities, though.

Yeah, boy what I could do with 380 tonz of explosives
Let me just open my anarchist cookbook and check

[Japher]

LINK

Five hundred metric tons (1,100,000 lbs) of milled uranium oxide (yellowcake, U3O8) stored at Saddam Hussein's al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons research laboratory near Baghdad could have been converted to enriched gaseous uranium hexafluoride, UF6. This amount of yellowcake could produce up to 142 nuclear weapons, prominent British physicist Norman Dombey has determined.


LINK

But it's been reported - albeit in a by-the-way fashion - by the New York Times and a handful of other media outlets. And one of Saddam's nuclear scientists, Jaffar Dhia Jaffar, admitted to the BBC earlier this year, "We had 500 tons of yellow cake [uranium] in Baghdad."

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There is some truth to every rumor

[Sava]

Originally posted by Japher
LINK

Five hundred metric tons (1,100,000 lbs) of milled uranium oxide (yellowcake, U3O8) stored at Saddam Hussein's al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons research laboratory near Baghdad could have been converted to enriched gaseous uranium hexafluoride, UF6. This amount of yellowcake could produce up to 142 nuclear weapons, prominent British physicist Norman Dombey has determined.


LINK

But it's been reported - albeit in a by-the-way fashion - by the New York Times and a handful of other media outlets. And one of Saddam's nuclear scientists, Jaffar Dhia Jaffar, admitted to the BBC earlier this year, "We had 500 tons of yellow cake [uranium] in Baghdad."

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There is some truth to every rumor

and for every rumor, there's a gullible dope willing to believe it

[GePap]

Originally posted by Japher


There is some truth to every rumor

You don't need to speculate on rumors- you can look at the facts as they exit:

ie. Saddam may have kept his desire to make WMD's, BUT the sanctions regime and UN monitoring had ended his programs.

Tjose Japher are the simple FACTS- Saddam may have retained a wish for WMD"s, but he had none, nor the ability to make them. Who says? Our own weapons inspectors after a year of investigation.

Do you have ANYTHING at all to doubt their findings?

[Ramo]

First Japher trots out an Infoshop link, and now a Newsmax link.



See this is why you don't bring up Newsmax links. They get the facts absurdly wrong. If you look at the context of the quote, he said that they had the uranium before the first Gulf War. Jaffar actually has said that after the Gulf War, Saddam destroyed the program.

In his British television interview Dr Jaffar commented, “the facilities of the programme were damaged during the (first Gulf) war. Iraq did not have ... would not have had the resources under sanctions to continue with the programme ...”
“Saddam took a decision in July 1991 to abandon the programme and destroy what remained of its equipment.”
“We had orders to hand over the equipment to the Republican Guards, to the Special Republican Guards, and they had orders to destroy the equipment that we handed over to them."

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug132004/f1.asp

In short, what Sava wrote.

[Japher]

Who says? Our own weapons inspectors after a year of investigation.

Apparently Iraqis say differently