Your Rections to the Third/Last Presidential Debate

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The raising of the min. wage is always followed by an economic expansion. When you put more money in the pockets of the poorest workers, they spend it, which means businesses need to hire more workers to make more products, which means more wage earners spending more money.

[chequita guevara]

I disliked both candidates answers on homosexuality. I demand full rights for my gay brothers and sisters.

[MrFun]

Che, for now, it has to be a choice between the lesser of the two evils.


Bush, who is truly bigoted towards gays and hates them for their sexual orientation.


Or Kerry who is too scaredy cat to go further with equal rights regardless of sexual orientation out of his own political interests.



I am going with the one who is not truly bigoted towards gays.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by AnnC
Absolutely right, Che. If Bush had raised the minimum wage, instead of cutting taxes on investment, he probably would've achieved net job growth during his administration.

Minimum wage increases always get back to the local economy. The money of the rich is notoriously more volatile.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by MrFun

Or Kerry who is too scaredy cat to go further with equal rights regardless of sexual orientation out of his own political interests.

Kerry is way too liberal for this country. If he wins he'll let the Courts do their job, which is already a lot better than Bush.

[MrFun]

Oncle Boris, I was referring to Bush, not Kerry.

[Fake Boris]

I know, see my DanS. I just quoted the wrong post.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dissident
CNN talking heads are talking like Kerry has a legimate shot at this election.

That's because Bush's numbers are dismal for an incumbent president, almost Carteresque levels.

Plus, the Democratic voter registration has been outstripping the GOP by a huge margin in the battleground states, even enough to counter the sleazy GOP voter suppression tactics.

I'd say that come election day, either Bush will win by the skin of his teeth or Kerry wins by a comfortable margin.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I know, see my DanS. I just quoted the wrong post.

Stop pulling tricks like that.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Che, for now, it has to be a choice between the lesser of the two evils.

Vote Socialist, the better of two goods!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Vote Socialist, the better of two goods!

You come up with funny **** sometimes.

[Drachasor]

Wow, I can't believe so many people thought Bush won. Here's a question though, how many of you thought he won and were already sure you are going to vote for him?

Kerry won this easily, as all the polls so far have proved (and will prove). He finally defended himself against the innaccuracies Bush said. Oooh, it's him being "defensive" when he shows that Bush is lying (according to some here). He showed that he has voted for tax decreases much more than tax increases (more than 6 times as much). He showed that the "Global Test" line was taken totally out of context. He finally showed that Bush has a horrible fiscal policy. On many, many other issues, he called Bush decently well and acted Presidential. He didn't crush Bush on any one issue, but he beat Bush overall.

What Bush doesn't understand is that the swing vote and working class American are not doing so well job-wise. When asked about jobs however, Bush disconnected himself from this group by talking *only* about Education, which isn't going to fix jobs in the long run. Even on Education Bush didn't look like a victor though, despite how he kept talking about it. Kerry was able to present Bush's education plan as underfunded and the school as in trouble (and this is not *terribly* innaccurate). Meanwhile Kerry presented many strong ideas that will appeal to the working class, but also indicated that he wouldn't lie to thme (comments on outsourcing, fiscal policy, etc). He likewise presented strong healthcare plans, that Bush simply wasn't able to counter well.

None of this is going to change post-debate. The best thing that Bush was able to quote about Kerry's fiscal policies is going to go down the drain (the indepedent study saying Kerry's plan will be more than twice as expensive as what Kerry says has just be descredited by the founder of that organizatiin--Lewin, or something, I don't know the spelling). There is no way Bush can spin this into a victory, especially given the lies Kerry called him on. Also, Kerry presented a very strong, but reasonable, connection to religion early on in the debate that will resound well with the average voter. It was much more powerful and eloquent, imho, than what Bush had later. Also, Kerry matched Bush's witty remarks on family, which was nice to see.

This isn't about wether the Bush-camp likes what Kerry/Bush said, or what the Kerry-camp thinks. It is about how the swing vote will react, and they are and will react favorably to Kerry because Bush acts like their problems don't exist.

-Drachasor

PS. I do think comments on Cheney's daughter were too much, but that won't seriously impact the election. With Edwards it was more classy and appropriate, here it seemed a bit more shady--though also less noticeable.

[Jaguar]

I think Bush won, and I sure as hell wouldn't vote for him.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drachasor
Wow, I can't believe so many people thought Bush won.

I don't think Bush came out as a clear, dominant winner.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Plus, the Democratic voter registration has been outstripping the GOP by a huge margin in the battleground states, even enough to counter the sleazy GOP voter suppression tactics.

You mean registration drives like this?