The Case for the Empire

[Kuciwalker]

It didn't have a centralized military.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove

The Republic didn't have a military because it hadn't needed one for more than a thousand years. What could be sweeter than billions and billions of sentients living together in harmony with no need for weapons? If that's corruption I'll take a double dose of it, thank you! Obviously Palpitine used his dark powers to hide the growing threat. It wasn't the corruption of the Republic that led to its downfall, it was the insidious subversion from within. Oh, and the Jedi Order was nothing but a bunch of lazy lay-abouts. It was their fault too. It was their job to protect the Republic from the dark side and they failed miserably.

The Point is, the security and stability of the Republic rested on one, and only one mechanism. The Jedi Order. In several thousand-odd years there had never been any serious problems until the leader of a major group of "dissidents" was a skilled user of the Force. The Jedi were sent out to "Convince" leaders from backing down. Why do you think the Trade Federation leaders were so anxious about Kenobi and Qui-gon? Because they knew the Jedi could "Force a settlement" if they spoke to them.

Count Dooku wasn't so susceptable. Neither, obviously, was Palaptine. (whose main gift early on seems to be the ability to utilize the inherent sluggishness of the Republican Government)

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Lonestar



The Point is, the security and stability of the Republic rested on one, and only one mechanism. The Jedi Order. In several thousand-odd years there had never been any serious problems until the leader of a major group of "dissidents" was a skilled user of the Force. The Jedi were sent out to "Convince" leaders from backing down. Why do you think the Trade Federation leaders were so anxious about Kenobi and Qui-gon? Because they knew the Jedi could "Force a settlement" if they spoke to them.

Count Dooku wasn't so susceptable. Neither, obviously, was Palaptine. (whose main gift early on seems to be the ability to utilize the inherent sluggishness of the Republican Government)

The problem was Yoda. His mental skills were obviously lacking, or he'd have seen right through Palpitine and Dooku.

[Lonestar]

No, it was a problem with the entire system. When Political bodies that are "subordinate" to the Republic reach the point that their militaires are greater than all the Force(pun intended) the Federal Government can bring to bear, then there is something wrong with the system.

What finally killed the Republic was the fact these militaries were being used by Force-users on both sides. This isn't to saw it couldn't have ended the way it did without Force Users leading the Seccesionists, but it made it easier.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Molestation nothing... I notice how you don't protest that Lucas named "Star Wars" as "Episode IV - A New Hope", which was definetly not in the original movie and was only added after the first movie became a success to indicate that it was part of a bigger story.

And you don't even have The Reagan anymore, so you can't talk about 'copyrights' .

Actually Star Wars was titled Episode IV: A New Hope, both when I saw it in 1977 and in the videotape copy I have at home.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Actually Star Wars was titled Episode IV: A New Hope, both when I saw it in 1977 and in the videotape copy I have at home.

IMDB disagrees with you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/trivia

The episode number and subtitle "A New Hope" did not originally appear in the film's opening crawl. These were added to the April 10, 1981 re-release to be consistent with those seen in Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

[Lonestar]

Thank's Imran, I was looking for that. I had also been sure it was in snopes...

[Imran Siddiqui]

It also shows that the films have been 'changing' since a little bit after they were released .

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber


Actually Star Wars was titled Episode IV: A New Hope, both when I saw it in 1977 and in the videotape copy I have at home.

The first version did not have episode IV in the title simply because Lucus had no idication that he would be able to make the other two let alone three prequals. The commercial success was the only thing that made ESB and ROTJ possible. Notice how ANH is the only movie that can stand alone completely. There is a resolution. Lucus allowed vader to escape to make other movies possible but from all that he has said, he never expected Star Wars to be as popular as it was. I'm not exactly sure when he went in and put the episode IV A New Hope in, but the very first definitly did not have it as a title.

[Sprayber]

I see Darth Siddiqui beat me to it

[Imran Siddiqui]

Notice how ANH is the only movie that can stand alone completely.

Yep, that's the main giveaway. Lucas had no idea that Star Wars would ever become popular. No, not as popular as it ended up being, but become popular AT ALL! People watching the trailer a few months earlier saw it as another crappy B-movie coming out. He did leave it open for any potential sequals, but if Star Wars bombed, it would be able to have an ending to the only film.

[DinoDoc]

This thread has shown conclusively that Imran is a Frenchman and a traitor to the memory of The Reagan!

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by Sprayber


The first version did not have episode IV in the title simply because Lucus had no idication that he would be able to make the other two let alone three prequals. The commercial success was the only thing that made ESB and ROTJ possible. Notice how ANH is the only movie that can stand alone completely. There is a resolution. Lucus allowed vader to escape to make other movies possible but from all that he has said, he never expected Star Wars to be as popular as it was. I'm not exactly sure when he went in and put the episode IV A New Hope in, but the very first definitly did not have it as a title.

Star Wars was written by Lucas when he was in College. By the time that ANH was finally shown to the cast it was clear to Lucas that Star Wars would be a blockbuster and when released it was in fact subtitled Episode IV: A New Hope. the only doubt that Lucas had in making future movies was that in the middle of production he still did not have most of the CGI done. Lucas had to intervene personally to direct the CGI section (leading to the creation of ILM) in order to complete the movie on time.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Did you even read my post showing you to be wrong?

And actually Harrison Ford had said that he thought the movie would be an utter flop, until he saw the final product when it was actually released.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!

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