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  • #16
    How do we know there won't be another baby boom?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      How do we know there won't be another baby boom?
      We don't, just as we don't know if TFRs will drop even further... or a war or a catastrophic disease, etc.

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      • #18
        Gee, I wonder if this is now going to be used as a case to open the flood gates into America. How nice.

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        • #19
          What would be wrong with that?

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          • #20
            that would be a good thing - cuz im sure you too come from abroad, or at least your ancestors did.
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • #21
              Immigrants . The life blood of the US.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #22
                Gee, I wonder if this is now going to be used as a case to open the flood gates into America. How nice.
                Ummmmm why into America? Isn't the EU the one with the population problem hence being the one that 'should' want to open their floodgates?

                Also
                What would be wrong with that?

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                • #23
                  I personally expect a new baby boom (albeit not one as radical as the one in the 40ies) in Europe before the crap really hits the fan. People will one day understand they'll need children to pay for their retirement, and politicians will one day understand that a natalist policy is extremely important to the continent's future.

                  A grand opening of the immigration gates would be a terrible blow to social cohesion across Europe altogether. We need time to integrate / assimilate immigrants in our societies, and we have mucho trouble already. The strength of Le Pen, Vlaams Blok, Haider, Pim Fortuyn etc. are symptoms of these difficulties.
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                    they need to let in more immigrants, thats all.
                    they need to bring in about a billion immigrants during this century if Buchannans numbers are correct. This is with their own native populations imploding. Europe will cease to exist, and will pretty much be replaced by the immigrants that they are bringing in.

                    Originally posted by Pyrodrew


                    Perhaps, but the US has a TFR of 2.0 the last I saw.
                    its 2.07 I think. you need the 2 to cover both parents, and the .11 to cover infant mortality, being that this is the US we are probably fine.


                    Originally posted by OzzyKP
                    People aren't hitting it enough, I think I need to inject some American libido into the lives of European women.
                    No, this is not the case. People are accidents, there is no such thing as a "planned" parenthood. Look at the abortion figures and you will find out what is happening to Europe's population.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Whoha
                      No, this is not the case. People are accidents, there is no such thing as a "planned" parenthood. Look at the abortion figures and you will find out what is happening to Europe's population.
                      There is such a thing as planned parenthood. People begin to have children when they drop contraception and actively try to reproduce. Sure, you can't predict for sure if the woman will become pregnant that evening or another (and your couple can even be unsuccessful at breeding for years), but with a little bit of sense, the whildren you make aren't accidents.

                      Now, I know American women have a different understanding of contracpetion as European ones (bar from Britain), but that doesn't mean that reproduction necessarily happens by accident.
                      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Spiffor

                        There is such a thing as planned parenthood. People begin to have children when they drop contraception and actively try to reproduce. Sure, you can't predict for sure if the woman will become pregnant that evening or another (and your couple can even be unsuccessful at breeding for years), but with a little bit of sense, the whildren you make aren't accidents.

                        Now, I know American women have a different understanding of contracpetion as European ones (bar from Britain), but that doesn't mean that reproduction necessarily happens by accident.
                        Nope, I have painted with my broadest brush, we are all accidents.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                          they need to let in more immigrants, thats all.
                          If continueing in the same trend of immigration expect further Islamification of EU.
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • #28
                            I have to confess that I'm experiencing a bit of schadenfreude at the prospect that the ancestral and cultural homelands of the ethnic groups that have displaced and even erased so many indigenous peoples throughout the world will in turn themselves be peacefully displaced and erased by foreign ethnic groups in combination with a windfall of amazingly low native birthrates. It seems both refreshingly karmic and also mercifully benign for not producing any victims in the process except for the cultures themselves. This trend manages to accomplish this while sparing the by and large innocent living individuals who make up those soon to be marginalized cultures from the kind of ethnic cleasing that their ancestors took part in. Maybe there really is a God?


                            Peaceful victimless payback
                            Last edited by Geronimo; September 23, 2004, 23:10.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Spiffor
                              I personally expect a new baby boom (albeit not one as radical as the one in the 40ies) in Europe before the crap really hits the fan. People will one day understand they'll need children to pay for their retirement, and politicians will one day understand that a natalist policy is extremely important to the continent's future.

                              A grand opening of the immigration gates would be a terrible blow to social cohesion across Europe altogether. We need time to integrate / assimilate immigrants in our societies, and we have mucho trouble already. The strength of Le Pen, Vlaams Blok, Haider, Pim Fortuyn etc. are symptoms of these difficulties.
                              deal with it

                              Sissy Europeans not being able to deal with other cultures

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                                they need to let in more immigrants, thats all.
                                That's only a temporary solution since the whole world's population growth is slowing. We're supposed to reach peak in 2050, and then the world wide population is supposed to begin declining.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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