Does God exist?

[Ben Kenobi]

You've seen pictures, heard news from, and spoken to many, many people who've actually seen it themselves.

So what about God?

I've seen icons, I've spent a fair amount of time with those who seem to have some relationship with him, and I can say personally that I have had my prayers answered.

So for me, I am much more sure of God than I am of this fabled city of New York.

[Japher]

New York is a myth... There is no Big Apple...

I have a relationship with 6'2.5" rabbit named Harvey.

[Arrian]

So for me, I am much more sure of God than I am of this fabled city of New York

What a moronic argument. You can test the existence/nonexistence of New York. Buy a plane ticket, get on the plane, and find out!

Having been there, I assure you it exists, though I'm really not all that fond of it.

-Arrian

[Jon Miller]

I hate to tell you this

but that is just Venom in a rabbit mask

JM

[Japher]

I think I can travel through time

[Ben Kenobi]

You can test the existence/nonexistence of New York. Buy a plane ticket, get on the plane, and find out!

It's easier for me to pray...

[Japher]

I can test the existence of god...

[Arrian]

Sure it's easier. It's usually easier to just make **** up

You may think you contact God when you pray. Fine, good for you, but that fails to convince ME that God exists. However, if you were to fly to Connecticut, and I picked you up at the airport and drove you down to NYC, I could show you that it exists.

Different, see? Prolly not, but I'm bored so I'll bash my head against the wall for a while here.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

Fine, good for you, but that fails to convince ME that God exists.

Then what works for you?

How can I prove to you that God exists?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ned
False premise.

Definition.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by loinburger
It doesn't make sense to both have an expanding universe and a universe that has always existed.

The universe isn't expanding. A particular contiguous region of space is.

The universe is not the set of everything that has ever existed, so your argument doesn't apply to the universe's origin.

The universe is defined as such.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Punctuated equilibrium is much easier to reconcile with some form of evolution directed by God, and not by chance.

Nope. Assuming your God is omnipotent, neither would give him any trouble. Besides which, neither case requires (or even suggests) the existance of some intervening deity.

If God has intervened in nature before through catastrophes, why not also in this manner?

Establish that he has intervened before first.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So what about God?

I've seen icons, I've spent a fair amount of time with those who seem to have some relationship with him, and I can say personally that I have had my prayers answered.

So for me, I am much more sure of God than I am of this fabled city of New York.

There are plenty of people who have just as much "evidence" for the existance of, say, Vishnu. Why don't you believe in that?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So what about God?

I've seen icons, I've spent a fair amount of time with those who seem to have some relationship with him, and I can say personally that I have had my prayers answered.

So for me, I am much more sure of God than I am of this fabled city of New York.

So you've seen actual pictures of him, you've talked to people that have seen him witht heir own eyes, you've seen TV news from him, you've seen news about him, you've talked to people born next to him?

I see you conveniently missed the second part of my argument. You can read about Atlantis, see symbols of it, etc., but because I haven't seen it, or heard accounts from it, I don't presume it to exist. Likewise with God. Just because you've not seen New York and God, doesn't mean one has to exist because the other does. Plus you have seen New York, on TV. I would have thought someone claiming how useful philosophy was for logic would have seen the analogy as flawed from the start.

If there wasn't a New York, you wouldn't be able to buy a ticket there, without some *huge* scam. It isn't conceivable that it couldn't exist, given the sheer weight of evidence for it. Not only would 9/11 have been a scam, so would the Yankees, The Republican Convention, Will & Grace, etc. It's a silly argument.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The universe isn't expanding. A particular contiguous region of space is.

The universe is defined as such.

I hope you'll understand if I lend more credence to the definitions given by physicists than I do to the definitions given by a high school student -- their authority trumps yours by several orders of magnitude.