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  • #16
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    I think Kerry's more comfortable coming from behind though. It's not for nothing they call him the "Comeback Kid."
    Yeah but he's still falling. Coming from way behind but coming up short.

    "Gallup of late has been more republican than other pollsters, at least in state polls"

    Not at all. Gallup has a pretty good mix of democrats and republican poll-takers (half/half). While some are more focused on democrats (pew, zogby).
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #17
      Organizations that demonstratably have been far more accurate in the past, like Harris are showing essentially a dead heat. Time and Gallup are showing larger margins, but they're outliers.

      Kerry's probably behind, but only by a couple points.
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      • #18
        Isn't it more important where the vote is concentrated? Bush can be ahead in states he'll win anyway but Kerry could win more states.
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        • #19
          Not at all. Gallup has a pretty good mix of democrats and republican poll-takers (half/half). While some are more focused on democrats (pew, zogby)
          Five minutes ago you said you weren't even aware of Pew's existence.

          Do you go out of your way to make yourself look foolish like this?
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #20
            With the way Kerry's campaign has imploded in the past few weeks, however, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this turned out to be accurate.
            I dispute the claim that Kerry's campaign has imploded. Bush has managed to reframe the campaign in terms of his image as a "war president." This, combined with the normal convention bounce, has put him ahead in the polls (also, Kerry admittedly was somewhat less effective than he could have been responding to the swift boat ads). I would be rather suprised if the campaign does not return to at least a statistical tie in the coming weeks.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ramo
              Organizations that demonstratably have been far more accurate in the past, like Harris are showing essentially a dead heat. Time and Gallup are showing larger margins, but they're outliers.

              Kerry's probably behind, but only by a couple points.
              No, no, no. Gallup has had a good history with showing the facts (historically, gallup has been doing this the longest and have the longest track record of predicting elections correctly). Kerry is far behind. So don't get your hopes up (and it is far more then just a few points)

              Bush can be ahead in states he'll win anyway but Kerry could win more states.
              There are states polls that refute the latter part of that statement showing Bush has gained in several battleground states substantially.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #22
                It scares me, though, when the Democrat is behind in New Jersey.

                Just a thought.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Agathon


                  Five minutes ago you said you weren't even aware of Pew's existence.

                  Do you go out of your way to make yourself look foolish like this?
                  I'm just saying what the likely circumstances of that poll are (because Bush and Kerry ARE NOT in a dead heat, sorry to burst your bubble).
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #24
                    (historically, gallup has [...] the longest track record of predicting elections correctly).


                    No, they're not. Proof that this is a BAM is that you've just now heard of Pew.
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                    • #25
                      I'm just saying what the likely circumstances of that poll are (because Bush and Kerry ARE NOT in a dead heat, sorry to burst your bubble).
                      No. You have decided, after a total of five minutes awareness of its existence, to declare that Pew is effectively an arm of the Democratic Party.

                      That's lame even by your standards.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ramo
                        (historically, gallup has [...] the longest track record of predicting elections correctly).


                        No, they're not. Proof that this is a BAM is that you've just now heard of Pew.
                        YOU JUST BAMMED YOURSELF, BOOHOO BOOHOO. You are the bammer.

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                        "The Gallup Organization has studied human nature and behavior for more than 70 years. Gallup employs many of the world's leading scientists in management, economics, psychology, and sociology."

                        I trust this poll more then others, especially considering the amount of years they have been in this business.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #27
                          He must be really comfortable right now, then...
                          He should get even more comfortable over the upcoming weeks.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Agathon


                            No. You have decided, after a total of five minutes awareness of its existence, to declare that Pew is effectively an arm of the Democratic Party.

                            That's lame even by your standards.
                            Look there are polls out there that are in fact tools of the democrats. They have more democrat poll takers then republicans. You just bammed.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #29
                              I have heard about Gallup in the news for decades, Zogby for the past couple years, and Pew only recently.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • #30
                                Look there are polls out there that are in fact tools of the democrats.
                                And you claimed that Pew was one of them, five minutes after you learned it existed.

                                Only feebs vote.

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