So, amcons, can you explain me what France and Germany's great crime was?

[Japher]

The Real Question: Does anyone really need a reason to be mad at the French?

[Q Classic]

historical revision is a grand old tradition played up by both sides of the fence.

i especially like how wmd was the primary rationale at first, and when that proved inconvenient, they played up the other rationale, that of liberating iraq, which got almost no airtime before the run up to war.

[debeest]

Originally posted by Ned
Revisionist.

[Japher]

It's when people change history to suit their needs. Kind of like ppl who make the US Civil War about freeing the slaves or US involvement in WWII about saving Frances butt.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Can you really compare France's complicity in Iraq to Pinochet, the Shah of Iran, etc? I doubt we would have tried to prevent France from making a pre-emptive strike on either of these if it served their long term safety.

I guess the comparison is a bit strained, since France just did business with Iraq, we were instrumental in installing and keeping into power of Pinochet and the Shah.

And actually we may have protested if France went in to overthrow Pinochet. The Falklands is not a good example, because the junta in Argentina was never really our boys, but we didn't explicitly take any sides during the war (which pissed off Thatcher, btw).

i especially like how wmd was the primary rationale at first, and when that proved inconvenient, they played up the other rationale, that of liberating iraq, which got almost no airtime before the run up to war.

Shhh... the Great Leader would never have done that .

[Spiffor]

Re: So, amcons, can you explain me what France and Germany's great crime was?

Our obvious superiority.

Jealousy is a bad thing, you know?

[Berzerker]

France and Germany's refusal had nothing do do with WMD or terrorism one way or the other. They were beling loyal to their drug dealer.

Wow, nicely put. However , a drug dealer who has slaughtered a bunch of people. And we're over there for the same drug so it's not like we'd care if one drug dealer invaded the turf of another dealer half way around the world if the drug wasn't of value to us.

oil=drug for those not paying close attention.
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Anyway, I never blasted "old Europe" because I figured they just didn't want to invite terrorism as we have filling in for colonial Europe around the world. France wouldn't let our planes use it's airspace to bomb Libya back under Reagan probably for the same reason.

As for "What gives?"

After saving or trying to save "old Europe" from itself in 2 bloody wars and it's colonial holdings, call it returning a favor. There are still plenty of people alive who were in that last war y'all got yourselves in.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by pchang
What is best for France and Germany have started to really diverge from what is best for the US.

Like the war in Iraq?

You have a strange conception of what is "best for the US".

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by dojoboy
Lesser of two evils is realpolitik.

Lesser of two evils is obvious common sense. What else are you going to pick, the greater?

[MRT144]

seriously though people, america has no reason to be "mad" at germany or france because of this. nations disagree and yet the world still turns.

[PLATO]

Re: So, amcons, can you explain me what France and Germany's great crime was?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm

[MRT144]

and this is news because? plato obviously everyone in the 1st world is arming everyone in the 3rd world.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MRT144
and this is news because? plato obviously everyone in the 1st world is arming everyone in the 3rd world.

Not through a UN embargo that they voted for.

[MRT144]

oh boohoo, if the americans had thought of it first, they would have done it.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MRT144
oh boohoo, if the americans had thought of it first, they would have done it.

Probably...but only if Gore had won.