Oh, dude.

[Verto]

Originally posted by laurentius


Oh come on!

So they have live feed from there? What use is that in this cae for example? Bombing an unknown crowd of fleeing people is just as blind as bombing sleeping civilians like the Allies did in the WW2....

You are operating on the assumption the crowd's identity is unknown.

[laurentius]

And? What assumption are you operating under? Guilty as charged? I believe innocence until proven otherwise

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by laurentius


Oh come on!

So they have live feed from there? What use is that in this case for example? Bombing an unknown crowd of fleeing people is just as blind as bombing sleeping civilians like the Allies did in the WW2....

Why are you so sure that the military wanted to bomb an unknown crowd? We obviously have nothing to go on apart from the short video but you can't possibly believe that this little video containts all the information the military had as well.

Do you insist that all crowds are by their very nature unknown? What about lynch mobs? What about prison breaks? What about a crowd appearing from an area that was verified to contain only combatants?

[Flip McWho]

Of course I dont have the infomation from the ground, but so dont you. The difference is that I'm having a higher moral ground under these circumstances than you. Even if they were combatants, its still pretty cowardly act. have some self respect

BS. Your just assuming your've got moral highground by having fantasies that they are an unarmed civilian crowd just running down the street. From the video you can only tell its a crowd moving down the street. You don't know sh*t else. Also all your crap about 'fighting like a man up close and personal', your've never been in the army before have you?

Also to me it doesn't sound like hes getting his rocks off either. Verto does have a point with his 'troll" earlier about saying oh crap. What should the airman have said?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by laurentius
And? What assumption are you operating under? Guilty as charged? I believe innocence until proven otherwise

It is easy to prove otherwise. Remember those fantasies I described earlier? In many of those cases the 'guilt' of the crowd would be quite soundly 'proven'. We both acknowledge that we don't have the details so why do you insist that the military had no proof who the fleeing crowd in the video was?

[Verto]

Originally posted by laurentius
And? What assumption are you operating under? Guilty as charged? I believe innocence until proven otherwise

I am operating under the obvious notion that the pilot was not expressing orgasmic joy at killing people.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Flip McWho


BS. Your just assuming your've got moral highground by having fantasies that they are an unarmed civilian crowd just running down the street. From the video you can only tell its a crowd moving down the street. You don't know sh*t else. Also all your crap about 'fighting like a man up close and personal', your've never been in the army before have you?

Also to me it doesn't sound like hes getting his rocks off either. Verto does have a point with his 'troll" earlier about saying oh crap. What should the airman have said?

I have been to the army, thank you very much. I dont think you have beeen there though, apart from your beginners level campaign in Rise of Nation

This is exactly my point, under this information its just an "unknown crowd". Soldiers dont run like that :P Still I guess it makes you feel better to kill your presumed enemies like that. Even if they were civilians, after all they are never really innocent either right? At least theres less muslims in the world now Right?

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Geronimo


It is easy to prove otherwise. Remember those fantasies I described earlier? In many of those cases the 'guilt' of the crowd would be quite soundly 'proven'. We both acknowledge that we don't have the details so why do you insist that the military had no proof who the fleeing crowd in the video was?

Because your ****ty intel and military has a certain record of bombing weddings etc...

Maybe you should subscribe to some magazines or something. I recommend The economist its only 81 € a year here

[General Ludd]

Re: Re: Oh, dude.

Originally posted by Verto
No where in the clip did the pilot express any real emotion, whether it be anguish or glee.

Except when giggles and says "oh, dude", anyways.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Verto


I am operating under the obvious notion that the pilot was not expressing orgasmic joy at killing people.

I'm not talking about orgasms here. Take your dirty thoughts elsewhere

[Verto]

Originally posted by laurentius


I'm not talking about orgasms here. Take your dirty thoughts elsewhere

The original post did.

[laurentius]

?? Why do you mix me up with that?

[Verto]

Originally posted by laurentius
?? Why do you mix me up with that?

I didn't.

[laurentius]

You did notice you were quoting me...right?

[Pekka]

Well, I assume soldiers of all kinds say stupid crap when they are under pressure and fighting and stuff. Yeah, even from high above. I expect coroners to make jokes about my huge gear too when I'm just a corpse.

I believe in killing any way you can, I mean not as in general life motto, but if there should be war and you have a chance to shoot, you should do it even if it seems unfair to the other guy. Shoot them in the back while they are running, shoot them when they jump out of the planes and shoot them when they are eating or praying. It's best to kill this way.

Another question is, if the war at hand is a war we should fight. AND it's another question if the target at hand really is an enemy soldier. Now I haven't watch this video, let's make that clear now. And I won't watch it either.

Say, some folks are running at the soldiers on the ground, I say shoot them from the air if possible. However, if it's unclear if these folks are enemy or not, I say wait up and make a positive confirmation, or if unpossible to ID, but not super hot situation but a small group or few people running, I say wait it up and let it happen on the ground to avoid shooting friendlies at all cost. Depends on different things. But if there's a chance they're civies, and it was up to me (which it isn't), I'd say wait until identification has been done. At least I think that's what I'd do. I'd hope I'd do that. I don't know. I might start blasting like crazy person early on.