Apolyton Hall of Fame: September 2004

[Locutus]

I'm not gonna respond to every point as we're just rehashing the same points over and over again but:

Originally posted by Ming
And again... everything is equal right now.

There are different kinds of equality. In European politics, there's a European Commission where all countries are equally represented: there's one commissioner per country. In the European Parliament all countries are also represented equally: the number of seats depends on the population of the country. Germany gets more seats than Luxembourg. The same is true for American politics: Senate vs House. Those are both different kinds of equality.

The same can be applied to the HoF. Every individual has an equal vote, but various sections of the site are unequally represented. In my opinion, if the HoF is to be representative of the entire site, all sections of the site should be represented (not even equally, but they should all have their place), not just the big ones. One can agree or disagree with that, but that doesn't make it less equal.

Some communities may be smaller now, but that doesn't mean they never brought forth great members. Just because those members didn't migrate to the OT or Civ3 forums, doesn't mean they shouldn't be included in the HoF.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


He was the one who managed to get the whole trade commodities figured out in Civ2, which is not as easy as it sounds.

Check out the Civ2 strategy forum to find out what he did, and why the civ2 folks are trying to vote him in.

I didn't vote for him because I want to see solo in, but I'll vote for him in the upcoming round.

Ben..um..whom is THIS latest avatar?

[Snowflake]

Actually the US is a very good example to look at about what equal right means when it comes to voting. There are larger states and smaller states in the US. Should each state gets equal votes or should the votes be weighted by the population? Well you all see how the US is doing. The benefits and shortfalls for each voting method is also quite apparent.

[Bloody Monk]

Locutus makes an interesting real world comparison but the 'Poly Community is more like a city than an artificial conglomeration like the EU; or at least, that is what I think. In that vein, this discussion can be compared to city council elections--should the members be elected "At Large" by the entire community, or by precinct/ward. It is a 'city council'. To divide folk in any manner invites a balkanization that devolves the whole. And while I still hold to the hope that the giants of the games get more attention, chopping up the electorate makes little sense to me.

On another note, I bet these debates will have been more interesting than the upcoming Presidential Organized Mouthings.


Just vote!!

Monk

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Ming
If you think somebody should be in... promote them.. stick with them from election to election until they do get in. That's what Civ II folks do, and it works!

/me makes a mental note about what to do before the next election.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Locutus makes an interesting real world comparison but the 'Poly Community is more like a city than an artificial conglomeration like the EU; or at least, that is what I think. In that vein, this discussion can be compared to city council elections--should the members be elected "At Large" by the entire community, or by precinct/ward. It is a 'city council'. To divide folk in any manner invites a balkanization that devolves the whole. And while I still hold to the hope that the giants of the games get more attention, chopping up the electorate makes little sense to me.

Disagree. The site is very clearly divided between groups and there is not much overlap between them. Yes, there are some Civ 2 players who play 3 also, or some GalCiv players who also like SMAC, but for the most part most people belong to one group of another.

[Solver]

Disagree. The site is very clearly divided between groups and there is not much overlap between them. Yes, there are some Civ 2 players who play 3 also, or some GalCiv players who also like SMAC, but for the most part most people belong to one group of another.

Yep. Also, a few months ago, someone pointed out that a community can remain united at a few hundred members tops. Indeed, Apolyton can't. A few thousand people post actively, and inevitably some of the active posters in one areas are unknown to others, and so on. There are a few names known to just about everyone (staff members, mostly, and then not all), but other than that.... many Civ3 players won't know even the most prominent OTF'ers, the OTF'ers won't know SMACers, and so on.

[Provost Harrison]

I'm sure everyone has heard of me

[Solver]

Dream on .

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I'm sure everyone has heard of me

umm..your a Marshall on a militray base i believe..

Im sure of it afterall all I was a Military Policeperson

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Locutus makes an interesting real world comparison but the 'Poly Community is more like a city than an artificial conglomeration like the EU

Actually, I think Apolyton is probably most like the US: everyone lives in their own state and remains in that state most of the time. Of course, some people commute between states, some move all over the place, but most stay in the same state most of the time. They may move maybe once or twice in a lifetime but not more often. And in this comparison, the OT is Florida: that's where a lot of senior citizens move after they retire

[chequita guevara]

And the OT is being hit by hurricanes Ming and rah.

[Locutus]

Well, them or the spammers and trolls, depending on your point of view

[Ming]

We do our part

[Solver]

The state comparison is rather good. Only we don't divide into democrat and republican forums, but that seems like a good idea .