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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Mad Monk
    BTW, what happened to make you flip the script, player?

    I don't remember you putting the hate on Bush earlier.
    Here is my timeline:

    1) Alright so Bush seemed pretty dope so he had my support going into office

    2) After getting in, he comes out and says that there are going to be supluses for the next 10 years and so let's drop a big tax cut on everyone. It doesn't matter if these projections are wrong in the future (which they were 6 months after it was passed), let's base these tax cuts on them anyway. And, let's give some nice breaks to rich people too. Okay, this just seems like common sense, you can't plan out for 10 years, stop spending money you don't have. BIG RED FLAG. And this one is often forgotten.

    3) 9/11 happens. Bush kicks Taliban azz hard so Ted is back on his side and extremley impressed with his handling of the situation. Guantonimo and the silly Axis of Evil speech are forgiven since the War on Terror seems to be going well.

    4) IRAQ

    Man don't even get me started. If Bush had just said something to the effect of, "Saddam is a dumbass and we are going to kill him," now that would have worked out alright for me. So of course, playing the deal out through the UN, using suave to get the job done, not been such a unilateral ass, that would have been alright.

    Ancyrean made a post in the Iran thread about how Iran should have been handled, through the UN. We would have gotten Saddam removed eventually, but without so much policital cost, and with all the backing we needed, if we had handled Iraq in the same we he is proposing to deal with Iran.

    But key events that majorly piss me off:

    - Taking advantage of Colin Powell, the greatest statesman in the entire world, and USING the guy to lie to the whole world, was disgraceful. Powell's influence is now marginal, his character, ruined. You don't waste your best guy like that, and on both a moral and practical level it's disgraceful

    - Turning around and BLAMING the intelligence community for poor intelligence on Iraq, when in fact they were coercing them to provide information they did not have

    - USING the 9/11 sympathy the world gave us and completely ruining it, by trying to make a connection between Al Queda and Saddam. I personally believe Saddam was on the backend of the 1993 Trade Center bombing but it cannot be proven for sure. This using the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to carry out the war is the most dispicable of all.

    - Bush, who never served himself, landing on the carrier like somekind of 9 year old with his first cowboy suit. Prancing around egging on the terrorists to "bring it on." Pathetic.

    5) Completely absent on the economy.

    First of all the tax cuts coinciding with the war is a no brainer. Every 9th grade kid learns about guns and butter so I won't go over it. Absolutley wreckless. Asking Congress for a blank check for the war, while at the same time passing a tax cut. I am honestly suprised that the economy has recovered at all. Seems to me it is on life support from the tax cuts, and has grown IN SPITE of Bush's policies.


    6) And the biggest reason of all -Cheney. This lying bastard has a one track mind -- FIGHTING. That's all this dumbass ever thinks about. He is stuck in 1983 Cold War policitcs, and has failed to adjust to the state of current affairs. It's like he's stuck in a time warp. It's not about how has the biggest anymore. You gotta be smart nowadays, do your homework, enjoy a little forepaly, and THEN pull it out at the right time.

    The running theme with this administration is:

    We have agendas A, B, and C, it doesn't matter if current events mean those plans suck, we are going to push our agenda anyway even if it makes absolutley no sense whatsover, and we don't care what anybody else thinks.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #17
      You have been really duped by people like Imran. Who are you going to vote for Kerry? Well I got a news flash, it seems like Bush now has the upper hand now in the election.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #18
        Duped

        Cheney is the one doing the duping, duping people like you son

        Imran was more hard core right than I was even
        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ted Striker
          Duped

          Cheney is the one doing the duping, duping people like you son

          Imran was more hard core right than I was even
          Oh give me a ****ing break. I don't like Cheney or Bush that much. But I have to make the concession that Kerry is absolute sh*t. You took a swing to the center-left.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #20
            And so what are you basing Kerry's lack of leaderhip on?

            His 3 Purple Hearts?
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #21
              I can see your reasoning, though I belive they did get blindsided by bad intel, and Iraq was something that needed to be done anyway, in light of the developing geopolitical situation. I agree that I raq should have been done better, but I also believe certain nations were in fact trying to delay things to no good purpose in the UN.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ted Striker
                And so what are you basing Kerry's lack of leaderhip on?

                His 3 Purple Hearts?
                No his tendency in not voting in the senate and his ultra-liberal voting record of the past... in what was it.. 90% of times he was called to vote for the Senate last year? What was it? He voted only 14 out 110 or so times last year? That is the lack of leadership. I don't want somebody who is asleep behind the wheel.

                Just a little interesting poll...

                http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/bush_campaign_poll_040909.html


                But more important than the horse race at this stage are the attitudes that inform it. Sixty-three percent of Bush's supporters now say they're "very enthusiastic" about him, a new high for Bush in this important measure of motivation. Kerry's support, after dropping in advance of the Republican convention, is flat, at 39 percent very enthusiastic. And while 84 percent of Bush's supporters are affirmatively "for" him, that's true of just 41 percent of Kerry's; more of Kerry's supporters, 55 percent, are chiefly "against" Bush.

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                LOOK: I do not like Bush all that much as I did before. I'm still going to vote for him but that is because of bigger issues. I'm gay, and I was very mad at Bush for what he did towards us GLB americans.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #23
                  Is that the best you can do? That's like straight out of Negative Campaign Ads Handbook 101. Pulling out the voting record is so amatuerish.


                  They could have at least come up with a sex scandal and knocked him out of the race.

                  Maybe you should sleep with Kerry and get him disqualified?
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    Is that the best you can do? That's like straight out of negative campaign ads handbook 101. Pulling out the voting record is so amatuerish.

                    But I see you are being duped hook line and sinker.




                    They could have at least come up with a sex scandal and knocked him out of the race.

                    Maybe you should sleep with Kerry and get him disqualified?
                    Dude, I do not like Bush or Kerry. Quite frankly, I do not know who Kerry is. That is the same with a lot of the people who say would vote for him. They are not sure who he is or what he stands for. He hasn't established that. That's his problem. I know who Bush is. I don't like a few of things about him... but I know who he is and I like quite a few things he stands for.

                    Ewwww... me sleep with Kerry... ewww.... ewww...
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      And so what are you basing Kerry's lack of leaderhip on?

                      His 3 Purple Hearts?
                      In a way, I would.

                      See, the way he focused on his VietNam record, as opposed to his political record, gives me reason to belive that he himself had no faith in his own ability as a lawmaker to carry the day with the electorate. His continuing insistance on bringing up VietNam again and again, time after time only serves to nail that home for me, and in addition shows a significant amount of stubborness and rigidity in his character that could prove dangerous when dealing with the maelstrom that is the world today.

                      If he can't figure out the need to alter an obviously bad course during the campaign, what faith do you have that he will be able to during an international crises?
                      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                      • #26
                        Also another fault of Kerry: He gets emotionally involved with things (Vietnam is the biggest issue) and that is bringing his campaign down to its knees. He messed up.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Mad Monk


                          In a way, I would.

                          See, the way he focused on his VietNam record, as opposed to his political record, gives me reason to belive that he himself had no faith in his own ability as a lawmaker to carry the day with the electorate. His continuing insistance on bringing up VietNam again and again, time after time only serves to nail that home for me, and in addition shows a significant amount of stubborness and rigidity in his character that could prove dangerous when dealing with the maelstrom that is the world today.

                          If he can't figure out the need to alter an obviously bad course during the campaign, what faith do you have that he will be able to during an international crises?
                          Well, the thing is, Kerry was personally very reluctant to trot out his war record.

                          Bush, now proclaimed by the critics as the Master of Foreign Policy (which is the ultimate irony because during the campaign for President 2000 , foreign policy was his weakest area by far) was seen as the stronger of the 2, and Kerry seen as a wimp.

                          So Kerry was encouraged by his advisors to put his war record up to make him appear stronger.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ted Striker

                            So Kerry was encouraged by his advisors to put his war record up to make him appear stronger.
                            Well whoever told him to do it should get fired because it totally backfired.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #29
                              The fact is, Kerry is under a little pressure, and he is not handling it well.

                              What's going to happen if the **** really hits the fan?
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • #30
                                Depends on who you ask.
                                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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