Russia prepared for pre-emptive strikes on 'terror bases' worldwide

[Ned]

Speaking of that noble ally France, whose president and ministers were on the take for Saddam's billions in syphoned UN oil for food money, it turns out that they were major arms suppliers to Iraq even during the Clinton regime. (So much for Bush being the cause of their "disloyalty".) It also turns out, it seems, that much of the new weaponry raining down on US troops is "Made in France." New, mind you. New.

Chirac is something to behold.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ned


Well there's smoke, granted. But I am still suspicious that a lot of this is propaganda.

After all, we have the example of John Kerry telling the world of all the attrocities committed by US troops, in the manner of Ghenghis Khan, in Vietnam.

As I said, propaganda.

There is a smoke indeed, but you- westerners heard only one version of the story- the terrorist's version.
Why CNN didn't invited some of the Russian authorities (perhaps the Russian ambassador) to present the Russian point of view for the world, after this terrorist scum Zakaev left the CNN studio?
You heard too much of their propaganda during last ten years.
So-called freedom of your so-called press-

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Oh, believe they describe behaviour of your soldiers in Iraq defirently.

This type of childishly stupid reaction seems quite typical for you. Is it some sort of defense mechinism?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This type of childishly stupid reaction seems quite typical for you. Is it some sort of defense mechinism?

Hasn't Russia tradionally had a defense mechinism against the west. Czars, Communists and those currently in power?

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb

And this particular sh!t based on which source? The f*ckers who take our children hostages and killing them and who now hide in your countries tell you those stories?
Great source of knowledge.
Did you ever see a pictures of Russian soldiers who tortued and humilated their prisoners, like US soldiers did in Abu Ghraib? Did you ever heard about such case in any Russian camp for prisoners. Bring me evidenses, SHOW ME THE PHOTOS GODDAMNIT.
****. [/QUOTE


evidently Russians are smart enough not to bring cameras into such situations..

Serb - are there any pictures of Israelis beating Pals in prisons? Is there evidence for that or worse other than what comes from Israels enemies? has the russian press done any exposes of this "anti-Israel" propaganda?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO
Just curious...what would France's reaction have been to having 300+ of her children murdered?

Anger and incomprehension of course.

Many people would call for revenge on whatever Arabic country we don't like. But the behaviour of our government would mostly be about making speeches to reinsure the population (of course), and to look where the anti-terror aspect of its policies has failed.

We could expect more drastic anti-terrorist measures, more willingness to extradict terrorists living in foreign countries. And probably more pressure on foreign countries to stop creating a fertile ground for terrorism.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Many people would call for revenge on whatever Arabic country we don't like.

I'll go on a limb and say that it'd be Algeria and not an Arabic country.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'll go on a limb and say that it'd be Algeria and not an Arabic country. [/QUOTE

since when is Algeria not Arab? Is this an althistory where the Berbers are the majority there?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Speaking of that noble ally France, whose president and ministers were on the take for Saddam's billions in syphoned UN oil for food money, it turns out that they were major arms suppliers to Iraq even during the Clinton regime. (So much for Bush being the cause of their "disloyalty".)

It was a well known fact that Saddam was a client regime of France. And of course, Chirac wouldn't have given up his client with glee. American and French interests were opposite in Iraq, that's nothing new.
But that's nothing which couldn't have been overcome with some negociation. The reason why both countries' stances radicalized so much, is because both countries saw what political gain they could milk from such radicalization.

To blame only Bush of French "disloyalty" is false. Bush and Chirac are both responsible of it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'll go on a limb and say that it'd be Algeria and not an Arabic country.

Probably Algeria indeed, since it's the only Arabic country we can have a strong dislike for. But most probably, there will be calls for revenge on our Arabic neighborhoods, because it is the one Arabic place that is really at odds with French society (and a massive terror attack on our territory would probably stem there)

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor

We could expect more drastic anti-terrorist measures, more willingness to extradict terrorists living in foreign countries. And probably more pressure on foreign countries to stop creating a fertile ground for terrorism.

It baffles the mind that France would not already be doing this to the largest extent possible.

[pchang]

You have to remember that their national football hero is of Arabic descent

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Serb


I don't trust a single word they post after the article you posted in different thread.

Why? Because all of those have long standing traditions and policies of being impartial, responsible, and truthful? As opposed to the extensive free history of the Russian press....

OH WAIT RUSSIA HAS NO EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF FREE, IMPARTIAL, TRUTHFUL, AND RESPONSIBLE PRESS!



Ned:

Propaganda |= lies!

Serb: How do you know CNN didn't invite Russian representitives on tv? Or that they did but Russian Authorities declined to do so?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO
It baffles the mind that France would not already be doing this to the largest extent possible.

"More drastic anti-terrorist measures" would mean definitely less freedom for the people. It appears our anti-terrorist measures are already worse than the Patriot Act (so claims Drake at least). For the time being, our policemen don't systematically searches every Arab for explosives, we are supposed to be protected by the law when the police wants something with us, etc.

Imagine real drastic measures with today's technology. It would be the wet dream of any East-Germany's secret agent. You can film everybody, you can track every monetary transaction, you can follow anybody with genetic prints, you can have an absolute and totalitarian society. Maximal safety would mean maximal totalitarianism.



"Putting pressure to other countries to stop creating breeding grounds for terrorism" would target Pakistan and Iran, as well as Israel, the US, and Russia. With these countries' reckless attitudes, uncontrolled and furious terrorists arise.

We are having a remarkably soft stance toward the US ever since the Iraqi war ended, and we are very mellow with the Russians. Unfortunately, in our position, mellowness pays more than playing hardball with these countries, so we can't hope anything on the diplomatic field in this regard.

[Lancer]

"Speaking of that noble ally France, whose president and ministers were on the take for Saddam's billions in syphoned UN oil for food money, it turns out that they were major arms suppliers to Iraq even during the Clinton regime. (So much for Bush being the cause of their "disloyalty".) It also turns out, it seems, that much of the new weaponry raining down on US troops is "Made in France." New, mind you. New.

Chirac is something to behold."

This is unfair! They are French, it's what they do, it's who they are, so it can't be helped. You might as well say they stink. Of course they stink! They don't bathe, so how could they not? Ned, give em a break...