Russia prepared for pre-emptive strikes on 'terror bases' worldwide

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This type of childishly stupid reaction seems quite typical for you. Is it some sort of defense mechinism?

Then what the hell is your reaction- Russians should leave Chechnya, despite it's recognized as Russian territory by all possible international laws, while it's OK for USA to invide sovereign countries, thus violating all possible international laws; Russians are opressing Chechens, humilate and tortue their prisoners (no photos, unfortunately), while it's OK for US to do the same in Iraq (photos exist, unfortunately); Russian are bastards, because they used fuel explosives in Grozny (no evidences, unfortunately), while it's OK for US to use the same bombs as well as many other restricted boms, such as cassete bombs in Iraq; Russians are bastards, because they used artillery against Grozny, while it's OK for US to use artillery against Baghdad, Al-Faluja, Al-Najaf, etc; Russians should negotiate with terrorists who kill their children, while no negotiations between ObL and US, etc.
What the hell is this? Is it some kind of attack mechanism or just an example of your double-standard, hypocrite nature?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Hasn't Russia tradionally had a defense mechinism against the west. Czars, Communists and those currently in power?

Without these defense mechanisms west would destroy us long time ago.

[Serb]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by lord of the mark

Originally posted by Serb

And this particular sh!t based on which source? The f*ckers who take our children hostages and killing them and who now hide in your countries tell you those stories?
Great source of knowledge.
Did you ever see a pictures of Russian soldiers who tortued and humilated their prisoners, like US soldiers did in Abu Ghraib? Did you ever heard about such case in any Russian camp for prisoners. Bring me evidenses, SHOW ME THE PHOTOS GODDAMNIT.
****. [/QUOTE


evidently Russians are smart enough not to bring cameras into such situations..

I knew this comming. When you have no evidences, it's pretty easy to claim that's because they were smart enough to do not left any evidences. What the hell else you can do in this case.
If you make charges, you need evidences. It's simple as that. If you don't have evidences, it means your charges are just a BS-charges. It's a worldwide practice, btw.

Serb - are there any pictures of Israelis beating Pals in prisons? Is there evidence for that or worse other than what comes from Israels enemies? has the russian press done any exposes of this "anti-Israel" propaganda?

Never seen that. Never heard about exposes of "anti-Israel" propaganda as well.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Why? Because all of those have long standing traditions and policies of being impartial, responsible, and truthful? As opposed to the extensive free history of the Russian press....

Because in the article you gave, I've found SO MANY lies, that after that I don't trust a single word coming from such sources.

OH WAIT RUSSIA HAS NO EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF FREE, IMPARTIAL, TRUTHFUL, AND RESPONSIBLE PRESS!

But we had "Pravda"
And because of this we know how BS smells, we read this BS in Pravda for decades. What I found in your article was 100% Pravda-style BS. To read this article, for me was like back in the past and read Pravda again.

Serb: How do you know CNN didn't invite Russian representitives on tv? Or that they did but Russian Authorities declined to do so?

They did invited some, really?
I see no reason why Russians could decline such offer.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb


Then what the hell is your reaction-

My reaction is that you should a) shut the hell up and act like a man and b) not act like an annoying spoiled brat whenever someone says something you consider negative about Russia. FYI: Launching into long tirades about the evils of US troops when people are talking about Russian excesses in Chechnya is acting like a spoiled little child. It annoys everyone and serves only to demean you and the case you wish to present.

[Serb]

So, it's ok for you to lecturing us how we should act, right? I should just shut up, because when I point out that US isn't better, thus its critique sounds like hypocrite sh!t- it's a childish behavior, right? You can do such things and still educate Russia that it shouldn't do such things...

Oh wait a minute, I forgot that I should shut up according to part "a)". Your wish is my command, master.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Serb
So, it's ok for you to lecturing us how we should act, right? I should just shut up, because when I point out that US isn't better, thus its critique sounds like hypocrite sh!t- it's a childish behavior, right? You can do such things and still educate Russia that it shouldn't do such things...

Oh wait a minute, I forgot that I should shut up according to part "a)". Your wish is my command, master.

Perhaps when the title of the thread is about Russia, actions of US troops in Iraq should be kept in threads about US troops in Iraq, unless the "Well they do it too" excuse is to be used. Just a thought

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Felch
Hooray! Maybe the Russians will actually fight Al Qaeda instead of just invading random countries.

If Russia does it maybe the US will copy them and actually do that too...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Perhaps when the title of the thread is about Russia, actions of US troops in Iraq should be kept in threads about US troops in Iraq, unless the "Well they do it too" excuse is to be used. Just a thought

I can accept such whining when it comes from Euro, but when American start to lecture Russia about human rights or international laws violations...

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Serb


I can accept such whining when it comes from Euro, but when American start to lecture Russia about human rights or international laws violations...

Why is that. Many Americans are just as critical about American actions as they are about Russian ones. The prisoner abuse cases in Iraq are atrocious and those responsible should be dealt with harshly no matter how high it goes up. Many of the decisions made by the admistration regarding Iraq have been mishandled and contributed to a lot of hatred.

It's healthy to question your goverment Serb. Every action should be questioned simply because the consequences for individuals and entire societies are at stake.

[Spiffor]

This just in: Putin will strongly centralize Russia and weaken local democracy. But the God-Lord does it for the security of his people, of course.

From the BBC

Putin tightens grip on security
President Vladimir Putin has ordered a drastic overhaul of the way Russia is run in the wake of a series of bombings and deadly attacks on civilians.

Mr Putin said strengthening central government control was a necessary part of the fight against terrorism.

He also announced plans to create a new federal anti-terror agency.

Mr Putin was speaking to a special cabinet meeting attended by regional governors, summoned after hundreds died in the school siege in Beslan.

Political shake-up

"The organisers and perpetrators of the terror attack are aiming at the disintegration of the state, the break-up of Russia," he told ministers, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Mr Putin admitted Russia's fight against terrorism had not been effective so far, and went on to put forward a series of radical and far-reaching reforms, including:

* Plans to elect deputies of the state's lower house of parliament, the Duma, solely on a party-list basis - currently half are elected from local constituencies on a first-past-the-post basis

* Regional governors to be nominated by the head of state rather than elected

* A new federal commission to study the troubled North Caucasus region, at the heart of much tension

* Security services to increase their international co-operation

* Harsher punishments to be meted out to corrupt officials who help terrorists, for example by issuing false passports

* A "Public Chamber" initiative to give Russians a forum to debate government decisions

Mr Putin also repeated that Russia had a right to take pre-emptive action to "destroy criminals in their hideouts and, if necessary, abroad".

Security has become Moscow's top concern following the school siege in Beslan and a series of bombings, says the BBC's Peter Biles in Moscow.

The new measures will almost certainly strengthen Mr Putin's own position, and further limit the power of an already weakened opposition, our correspondent adds.

The new commission on the North Caucasus - a region that includes Chechnya and the North Ossetia republic that is home to Beslan - will be headed by the government chief of staff, Dimitry Kozak, one of Mr Putin's closest allies.

Security review

Further measures under consideration include restoring the death penalty, tighter controls on foreigners and the creation of a colour-coded alert system.

The governor of the Moscow region has said he wants checks to be carried out on anyone arriving in the capital from the Caucasus.

President Putin has already ordered a review of security in the North Caucasus.

He also ordered a parliamentary investigation following criticism of how the authorities handled the three-day school siege in North Ossetia.

At least 326 people were killed, about half of them children.

The day before the siege began, at least 10 people were killed in a suspected suicide bombing outside an underground railway station in Moscow.

Another 89 people were killed last month in a suspected terror attack when two Russian planes crashed within minutes of each other.

[Patroklos]

I would be curious to see the power projection abilities of the Russian military.

I can count on one hand the number of Russian surface ships I have seen, let alone an ambib type vessel. Unless they plan on marching overland wherever they want to go.

I think the logistics will break them long before they get the opportunity to combat anyone.

[pchang]

Obviously Putin does not realize that Communism just gives you a flat rate of corruption regardless of distance to the capitol. Only true democracry gets rid of corruption and makes your units immune to bribery.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by pchang
Obviously Putin does not realize that Communism just gives you a flat rate of corruption regardless of distance to the capitol. Only true democracry gets rid of corruption and makes your units immune to bribery.

Nah, Putin plays Civ3, and communism makes much for sense for a territory like his.

[DinoDoc]

He has a lot of corruption problems though.