John Kerry the Betrayer: Unfit to Command, part 3

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I agree I think it poor choice of words as I indicated. Being near in proximity to Camboida become conflated with being "in" Cambodia.

Except, in the context used by Kerry, where it was a definitive, "I was in Cambodia (proper)" to emphasize illegal war times acts. Since it was not illegal to be on the border but was indeed illegal to be "in" Cambodia, the real meaning is clear that Kerry claims to be "in" Cambodia per his Senatorial statements.

[Drake Tungsten]

Kerry also claimed to be 5 miles into Cambodia on Christmas on one occasion. I think it was the Apocalypse Now story.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

There have been 50 some odd tellings, so I'm sure the details vary much as his positions on anything do. (Seems he has a problem with positions whether it be a political position or physical one )

Maybe he should come out with a new book "The Kerry Sutra?"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Boshko

If you don't know then why the hell are you using it as an example of Kerry lying. There are plenty of real lies to go around without dredging up the could-be lies.

I believe there's a similar phenomenon called a 'circle jerk', although I suspect there's usually a point to that....

[Drake Tungsten]

What happened to the smart-ass "tinfoil-hat" comments, Molly?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The point usually being defined by the OP perhaps?

[Drake Tungsten]

Maybe he should come out with a new book "The Kerry Sutra?"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What happened to the smart-ass "tinfoil-hat" comments, Molly?

You have yet to come up with anything as hysterically funny as Ned's comments and claims.


Shouldn't take long though, so keep recycling your tinfoil.

[Drake Tungsten]

Ned's claim seemed to be sufficiently backed up to me, given that I'm displaying the quote and all. Someone owes him an apology...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Ned's claim seemed to be sufficiently backed up to me, given that I'm displaying the quote and all. Someone owes him an apology...

Apologize for what exactly?


For pointing out to Ned that Kerry was on a tour of duty from December 1967 to June 1968, and that his implication that Kerry wasn't in Viet Nam (or presumably its territorial waters) in April of 1968 is just so much speculative whimsy on his part?


Notice too he adds the colourful embellishment 'bullets whizzing about' - don't see that in your new signature, do you?


If you read what I wrote more carefully too, you'll note I say 'Ned's comments and claims'- plural.

I'm not restricting myself to his remarks concerning Kerry and the date of Martin Luther King's assassination- there's a few other ripe remarks through this thread where his assumption of the ostrich position had me holding my sides, choking back laughs.

I don't say that Ned is claiming positively that Kerry wasn't there, since you haven't supplied him with sufficient information to do so, but he is implying that Kerry's lying.

And since you don't know whether or not Kerry is, or whether Kerry was in Manila, or Tokyo on April 4th 1968, and Ned's quoting you (the circle jerk in action), it's all so much baloney.

[Drake Tungsten]

Apologize for what exactly?

Accusing him of engaging in "tinfoil-hat" conspiracy theories when he's talking about a Kerry claim that very much exists?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

In reality I give the nod to Molly's points regarding Cambodian unintended collateral damage ie. civilian casualties from B52 carpet bombings

OTOH, I find it a complete nonsequitor in relation to the OP. Excepting it is clearly and patently false for Kerry to attempt to lay at the feet of Nixon the illegality of his actions of Cambodia circa Xmas 1968 when Nixon had yet to assume office.

[Drake Tungsten]

In reality I give the nod to Molly's points regarding Cambodian unintended collateral damage ie. civilian casualties from B52 carpet bombings

I wouldn't know. I have no interest in reading arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Agreed hence the reason it was IMO a threadjack of minor import.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Apologize for what exactly?

Accusing him of engaging in "tinfoil-hat" conspiracy theories when he's talking about a Kerry claim that very much exists?

Please quote me where I accuse Ned of engaging in tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.