John Kerry the Betrayer: Unfit to Command, part 3

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Ignore them as did Johnson and multiply our casualties 2-3 fold?

Just as many soldiers died under Nixon as Johnson, and there were less U.S. soldiers in Vietnam at the time. Obviously, the bombing of Cambodia had no oto little effect.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Swifties remain steadfast in their assertions (truthful or otherwise). No mention that Thurlow has backed off in the least.

Assuming by steadfast you mean, only the last few months and not what many of them had said previously praising Kerry.

So I take it Thurlow, not being a hypocrite, is returning his bronze star for bravery under fire?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Stadfast as in having their feet held to the fire via intense scrutiny to give their honest opinion as opposed to on offhand politcally correct nonoffensive one, then yes.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Why don't you or the press ask him? My guess is he would.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Joseph
Che I just have to ask this question. How do you know so much when you were only 3 years old when we removed the last of our troop from Vietnam?

We removed our last troops in 1971?

[Patroklos]

Molly is flattly saying that we went to Cambodia to kill civilians, not NVA.

While I think Ned is definetly minimalizing the collateral damage, it was just that, collateral not intentional. Molly is definetly magnifying the damage out of all rational means. And just so you know B-52's, while not scalples, are not as inaccurate as you think. They do destroy large areas, but almost always the swath they mean to destory. And since you like to talk so much about refungees, that is probobly where the majority of the nonexistant 600,000 deaths ended up. Not dead, but refugees.

And while you are right, SOME US rual areas are less dense than Cambodia, East Camboduia is still very remote and underpopullated. You could kill every man woman and child In the bombed areas, minus your two million refugees, and you still won't get 600,000.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Just as many soldiers died under Nixon as Johnson, and there were less U.S. soldiers in Vietnam at the time. Obviously, the bombing of Cambodia had no oto little effect.

So, you would have done nothing! NOTHING about the commie bases in Cambodia?

Ask any veteran who served in Vietnam about those bases and further ask who they appreciated more, Johnson who told everyone to never mention that they existed and Nixon who destroyed them?

I have seen reports that show that casualty rates were halved after Nixon drove the commies away from the border. Halved!

Are you an American? Are you an AMERICAN???

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Molly is flattly saying that we went to Cambodia to kill civilians, not NVA.

Wrong, we are saying that the military didn't give a rat's ass that non-combatant civilians would be killed. Each B-52 destroyed an area 1.5 miles long by .5 miles wide. Not all sorties were by B-52, but still, when you add it up, that's thousands of square miles that were devestated by bombing.

From March to May, 1970, B-52s flew 3,630 sorties over Cambodia. In 1970 and 1971, the U.S. and SV flew a combined total of 85,000 sorties over Cambodia, 61,000 in 1971 alone. When the bombing stopped, Aug. 15, 1973, the U.S. had officially dropped 257,465 tons of bombs on Cambodia.

Some people would have us believe that all of those sorties and all of those bombs only hit and killed 11,000 Vietnamese soldiers.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ned


So, you would have done nothing! NOTHING about the commie bases in Cambodia?

Ask any veteran who served in Vietnam about those bases and further ask who they appreciated more, Johnson who told everyone to never mention that they existed and Nixon who destroyed them?

I have seen reports that show that casualty rates were halved after Nixon drove the commies away from the border. Halved!

Are you an American? Are you an AMERICAN???

Wow, I live in Toronto and I think I got hit by some of the spittle coming out of Ned's mouth on that last tirade!

[Ned]

The latest news is that Bush will ask McCain to take legal action against the 527's. If this is not successful, he wants emergency legislation.

Kerry in the meantime is calling for a criminal probe of Bush. Kerry has gone way to far in his "defense" of these charges. Way too far.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Are you an American? Are you an AMERICAN???

Apparently not to people like you. Only right wingers who only believe what the military tells them and what right-wing Presidnents tell them are real Americans. The other 60% of the American public apparently aren't Americans.

So, you're trying to tell me that 2/3rds of all American casualties under Nixon occured in the two years before the invasion of Cambodia? It's definately possible. Might also be because we no longer had half a million Americans in SV, and so there weren't as many to kill.



Lemme see what I can find.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ned
The latest news is that Bush will ask McCain to take legal action against the 527's.

You think McCain will lead Kerry off the Senate floor in handcuffs for his blatant criminal acts wrt 527 contact?

[Sava]

"blatant criminal acts"

prove it or shut up

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Read back on page 15 re: his clearly illegal contacts to SBV's.

[Sava]

page 15? I only have 10 pages here... I have 50 posts per page view.

But as for this thread, I've not read anything to lead me to think you have any merit with that accusation.

Bush however, has had illegal contact with 527's. One of his top lawyers resigned because of contact with those Swift Boat Lying sacks of ****.