Rallying Point: Liberty Island - Refugees from Kidatopia, report!

[Velociryx]

One thing for you non-citizens of Liberty Island to keep in mind:

The point of this thread is to discuss methodologies to best re-create what was lost when Kidatopia was formed.

These are ideas in the roughest-hewn form of their entire lives, because we did not even BEGIN this process until yesterday evening. We've so far, had less than twenty four hours to knock together some ideas and the beginnings of a plan.

Expect to see us shift gears, debate amongst ourselves, and change our minds repeatedly.

Kid has been a self proclaimed communist for four years, and HIS utopian plan has holes big enough to drive a train through.

We've had less than twenty four hours so far....I'd say we're off to a rather strong start...

-=Vel=-

[Solomwi]

Do we, the consumers, not have the ability to dig our own ditches, or do without the ditches, if he asks too much?

[Velociryx]

I think that got him, Solo...

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
When Vel digs a ditch for anyone other than himself, we have to give him enough whether it be bananas, electricity, fish or whatever to make it worth his while. If he figures two hours to dig the ditch and that he could gather 8 bananas in that time, someone better be willing to pony up 9+ or he will go gather bananas-- Thats the market at work

Here's how it really works. Some people don't have any of that, or any means of getting those things, so they have to dig the ditches. The owners of those things allow him to dig the ditches if he will give up the ownership claim to his shovel and work for crap.

[Velociryx]

Well, if that's the way it works in Kidatopia, then you'd better move in with us!

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Just as long as you don't offer to teach Kidanomics on the Island, I'm sure you can find some skill to bring to the table that adds value to the island.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi


No, he built his business by digging the ditch himself. When it got big enough to buy another hoe, he hired someone else. By the time I got there, it was a multimillion dollar business and he needed another engineer, so he made me pretty well off, as well. I assure you, I didn't mind being exploited.

Bottom line is that people needed ditches, and he was able to provide them, so he got rich.

You said he got rich digging ditches, which you now say is not true.

Ah, but I'm too busy giving constructive input to the refugees to be bothered with this now.

[Tuberski]

Even in Kid's utopia there are going to be people working the system to get ahead. Black Markets thrive in communist societies. Therefore I will remain in the Utopia until such time as the island community creates something the Utopians want.

Having a ready source inside will help the island in 2 ways:

1. A market for their goods.

2. A way to get equpment and other things neccesary for their survival.

Since I am smart enough to live within the system and exploit it, I will be invaluable to the island.

ACK!

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You said he got rich digging ditches, which you now say is not true.

Ah, but I'm too busy giving constructive input to the refugees to be bothered with this now.

No, I'm still saying that's true. He obviously did get rich digging ditches. You're trying to split hairs, as it's the only hope your silly ideology has.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi


No, I'm still saying that's true. He obviously did get rich digging ditches. You're trying to split hairs, as it's the only hope your silly ideology has.

Speaking as a person who has digged a few ditches. Let me tell you that it doesn't work.

[Velociryx]

Tubes...we'll arrange to contact you on the short wave just as soon as we've landed then....and if you can find a source for some tools on the black market, that's one thing we're in short supply of....Kidicious Prime has forbidden any tools be taken with us....now, we can make primitive farming implements to get us by, and Flubber's got a plan to maybe get some out, but IMO, he's taking a personal risk to do so. If Kid catches him en route to the island and sinks his boat, we lost our ownly legal mind thus far. (I admire the courageousness, Master Flubber, but worry over losing your talents here...we need you more than the sharks)

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Speaking as a person who has dug a few ditches too, let me tell you that it does...

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Speaking as a person who has dug a few ditches too, let me tell you that it does...

-=Vel=-

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Speaking as a person who has digged a few ditches. Let me tell you that it doesn't work.

You simply didn't dig enough ditches then.

ACK!

[Velociryx]

Combining the basic plan I've outlined with Master Flubbers would seem to me to be the best of both worlds. The governing body could then spend its time doing the infrastructure work (as well it should), opening the door for capitalist enterprises to begin immediately.

We'll still be forced into using the barter system until the infrastructure is in place to do something different, but actually this brings us closer to the trading companies that plied the new world, which bodes well.

To that end then, the government should put itself into a position of "selling" (for barter) fishing plots and farm acrage to capitalistic enterprises to get them started.

Flub, does this bring the two ideas close enough together to mesh?

-=Vel=-