Rallying Point: Liberty Island - Refugees from Kidatopia, report!

[Jon Miller]

yah, that is the reason I think I might come along

will be much more communist than Kid's regime

Jon miller

[Kidlicious]

Dang, I'm starting to think about joining the little commune. Just for fun.

[Kidlicious]

btw, If I do join, I have knowledge of social systems, and some knowledge of accountancy, although I'm not really interested if you all are going to need accountants. If I do join I will need Ned to draw me up a contract so that my duties will be limited to planning.

[Kidlicious]

oh, and ****. I would have to demand that the libertarians leave their guns behind.

[Solomwi]

Hmmm, perhaps GePap and Kid are right, and, at least to get off the ground, we need to borrow a little more than just central planning and communal living from their side. Therefore, I propose we slaughter Kid in his sleep and confiscate the tools we'll need to build our society, as well as the weapons we'll need in the unlikely event anybody actually misses Kidicious Prime.

[Kidlicious]

Hmmmm.. I guess that means I'm not welcome.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Hmmm, perhaps GePap and Kid are right, and, at least to get off the ground, we need to borrow a little more than just central planning and communal living from their side. Therefore, I propose we slaughter Kid in his sleep and confiscate the tools we'll need to build our society, as well as the weapons we'll need in the unlikely event anybody actually misses Kidicious Prime.

Sorry, but if you guysd are trully going to have a liberterian society (and with DF abord, how could you not), there in fact can't be ANY mandatory planning meetings at all. If people want electricity, they will more than damned well make their own, thank you very much....

[Velociryx]

GePap, you're slow on the draw! That was already mentioned two pages ago...where you been, man?

And yes...it is sad but true, a capitalist system just does not spring up from the ground, fully formed.

We are not magicians, in the regard, I am afraid to admit.

Because we are not, and because survival is the first order of business (which is, I am sure you will know, a pre-requisite quite necessary for building the infrastructure needed to *support* the capitalist society we envision), the best way to ensure that immediate survival goal is to all pull together.

Does that mean we are communists?

Hardly.

It means that until the immediate crisis is resolved and our survival is ensured, we have democratically agreed to pull together and get it built, with the expressed goal of capitalism being the end.

Aside from that, sitting down and trying to figure out what to do and in what order of importance does not "central planning" make.

I make lists around the house all the time.

Every business owner I've ever dealt with does likewise.

It helps to prioritize.

If we are to be left without tools, then I'm brining a short wave radio.

DF, get on the bands and scare up some black marketeers. The first thing we'll do is build a home made still and make some bananna and coconut rum...barter it for the tools we need. Between that and poker, we'll be able to bootstrap the tools necessary.

We'll bring some of those windmills, too, although we will not be able to assemble them without the tools, so in the early days, it'll be slow goings.

Basic farming implements, we can fashion ourselves, so this will not stop us from getting crops in the ground, although our irrigation system will be quite primitive for the first season.

And if we're allowed to bring anything BUT tools, and are not limited to what we can carry, then we'll bring sufficient materials to construct one geodesic dome, twenty feet in diameter, for each family, plus half a dozen extras to serve as warehouses and storage facilities. These can be assembled by hand, with no tools required, which means that we can get basic shelter up and running, and all administrative buildings put together (even taking time out to teach folks how to build them) in a week.

Thus, if my only limit is no tools, Kid, you've actually made my job a fair bit easier....thanks!

-=Vel=-

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Hmmm, perhaps GePap and Kid are right, and, at least to get off the ground, we need to borrow a little more than just central planning and communal living from their side. Therefore, I propose we slaughter Kid in his sleep and confiscate the tools we'll need to build our society, as well as the weapons we'll need in the unlikely event anybody actually misses Kidicious Prime.

for some reason I read kidicious as delicious kidicious

and was slightly disturbed

Jon Miller
(they want meat that bad?)

[GePap]

And yes...it is sad but true, a capitalist system just does not spring up from the ground, fully formed.

We are not magicians, in the regard, I am afraid to admit.

Because we are not, and because survival is the first order of business (which is, I am sure you will know, a pre-requisite quite necessary for building the infrastructure needed to *support* the capitalist society we envision), the best way to ensure that immediate survival goal is to all pull together.

Does that mean we are communists?

Hardly.

It means that until the immediate crisis is resolved and our survival is ensured, we have democratically agreed to pull together and get it built, with the expressed goal of capitalism being the end.

The problem Vel, is that the crisis never ends. The clique in power will shift the goals to ensure its grip of power...the problems that have doomed almost all revolutionary systems have kicked in already.

I forsee the first violent revolt soon after, and several decades of bloodshed, which will give Kid the time to gather his counter-counterrevolutionary forces to crush your counterrevolutionary ways.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Hmmmm.. I guess that means I'm not welcome.

Sure you are, once you renounce the need to control everyone else.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
It means that until the immediate crisis is resolved and our survival is ensured, we have democratically agreed to pull together and get it built, with the expressed goal of capitalism being the end.

In other words, until you establish a hierarchy of power no one can exploit each other. In the mean time there will be a struggle for power and the ownership of the means of production. The loser will dig all of the ditches.

[Velociryx]

Is that right now?

This particular crisis has specific, namable points, at which time, it ends.

* Solving the food problem (one crop, maybe two to get a surplus built up), plus working to increase our catch.

* Building the basic infrastructure needed to support the capitalist system (already outlined in very rough form)

and that's it.

Once those two things are done, we're moving on to bigger and better things.

Aside from that, I have absolutely ZERO interest in government. I despise politicians.

The quicker I get it done, the quicker we can turn on the capitalist engine and I can go the hell home...retire to my little dome, start a business, catch some fish, sleep in my vine-crafted hammock, and enjoy the lifestyle.

THAT is the goal. I want it just as much as everybody else here.

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Well kid, you solved that problem for us, didn't you?

No tools....no means of production. So we'll just have to make them ourselves.

Once the first person gets a bit of a knack for putting basic tools together, then he'll have something to barter with....and the show begins.

No need to fight over it...everybody will need lots of different stuff, so if you're not a good tool maker, it doesn't matter. You can barter what you CAN make for some tools.

Transitory barter economics. And thanks again for the assist!

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by GePap
I forsee the first violent revolt soon after, and several decades of bloodshed, which will give Kid the time to gather his counter-counterrevolutionary forces to crush your counterrevolutionary ways.

That's fictional character Kidicious Prime.