Bush wasted 27 minutes, not 7.

[Alexander's Horse]

All this shows is what most of us knew - Bush is not in charge.

Having worked closely with political leaders I find it incredible he just hung around like that.

He had no idea what to do. And some people still think this twirp should be re-elected?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident


he should have gotten back in Air Force One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's the closest command center the president has. And has all the necessary communications equipment the president needs.

And don't tell me it wasn't safe. That was bull****. They could have moved the plane to another airport then (and have the chopper fly to the new airport) and noone would know which one it was supposed to be in.

And maybe they left him if the fairly secure school until Air Force One was moved, or at least on the move.

Take about, oh, 27 minutes to get that going.

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[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx

But, the point got driven home beautifully (and captured on film, no less!) when he heard the phrase "America is under attack" and sat there (on camera) for the span of several minutes, looking like he generally does, with that expression that says "I have not the FIRST FREAKING CLUE what the hell to do."

-=Vel=-

Did you?

I didn't. I wanted to strike out and hurt someone.

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[Velociryx]

I was watching CNN in the conference room when the 2nd plane hit.

Up until that moment, I was convinced it was just some drunken pilot's error.

Took me about a second and a half to excuse myself and get to a phone and a computer, where I could start assessing.

That's what I did, and I'm not in charge of anything at all.

-=Vel=-

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx
I was watching CNN in the conference room when the 2nd plane hit.

Up until that moment, I was convinced it was just some drunken pilot's error.

Took me about a second and a half to excuse myself and get to a phone and a computer, where I could start assessing.

That's what I did, and I'm not in charge of anything at all.

-=Vel=-

And did your secret service agents want to keep you where you were at? A fairly secure location?

Watching a movie, by some fat guy with an agenda, is not going to give you the whole picture.

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[Velociryx]

This has been my opinion before the fat guy even started thinking about making the movie.

It has not changed on whit, although I must confess to finding a tremendous amount of amusement IN that movie.

Leaders lead.

That's what they do.

This one didn't. Never has. Always needs someone to hold his hand. That's certainly nothing new, and definitely not some startling revelation post f9/11.

Do you think Churchill would have sat by reading "My Pet Goat," or is it more likely he would have gotten up, excused himself, and gotten on with the business of leading?

I'm guessing the latter, but then, he was a LEADER.

-=Vel=-

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx
This has been my opinion before the fat guy even started thinking about making the movie.

It has not changed on whit, although I must confess to finding a tremendous amount of amusement IN that movie.

Leaders lead.

That's what they do.

This one didn't. Never has. Always needs someone to hold his hand. That's certainly nothing new, and definitely not some startling revelation post f9/11.

Do you think Churchill would have sat by reading "My Pet Goat," or is it more likely he would have gotten up, excused himself, and gotten on with the business of leading?

I'm guessing the latter, but then, he was a LEADER.

-=Vel=-

I believe if he was attacked out of the blue, like 9/11, he wouldn't have had the perfect quote or anything else.

Churchill WAS a great leader, but he was a leader at war, where attacks on his country were the norm.

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[Velociryx]

But it wasn't out of the blue...he had the report in hand more than a month earlier, per the ever astute Miss Rice.

A month's warning isn't exactly what I'd call a blindside, you know? That's prolly a lot more warning than Churchill got before the first German bombs started blowing buildings up in London.

-=Vel=-

[GePap]

I don't care what Bush did those first few minutes. To me its a non-issue. His domestic policies, and his international actions are all I need to condenm his leadership.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx
But it wasn't out of the blue...he had the report in hand more than a month earlier, per the ever astute Miss Rice.

A month's warning isn't exactly what I'd call a blindside, you know? That's prolly a lot more warning than Churchill got before the first German bombs started blowing buildings up in London.

-=Vel=-

sure it was, did this "report" say that planes were going to crash into the WTC on September 11?

Were these warnings the only warnings that we have ever received?

How many of those have happened?

Even after 9/11?

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[Tuberski]

Oh, and if I vote for prez, I'll vote for Kerry.

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[Velociryx]

The minutes themselves ARE a non-issue, except that it serves to underscore that which is already painfully obvious. The guy's not a leader. He's not too far above vegatative matter, actually.

I've seen "potatoes" with more electro-chemical activity.

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Tubes...the point remains. He got information well in advance that there were plans afoot to hijack big airplanes and crash them into buildings.

After the first big airplane DID crash into a building, the sensible thing...the thing that a LEADER woulda done would have been to cancel the photoshoot at the school before he even got there.

He didn't do that, and the world got treated to seven minutes of "Howdy Doody Goes to Washington" on camera.

THAT is the point.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by GePap
I don't care what Bush did those first few minutes. To me its a non-issue. His domestic policies, and his international actions are all I need to condenm his leadership.

I don't need this to condem him either. That doesn't mean that I think it's a non-issue. It's just another issue.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Velociryx
The minutes themselves ARE a non-issue, except that it serves to underscore that which is already painfully obvious. The guy's not a leader. He's not too far above vegatative matter, actually.

I've seen "potatoes" with more electro-chemical activity.

-=Vel=-

How can the minutes underscore that?

Times like that the Secret Service takes over, no matter what the prez wants.

It wasn't painfully obvious before the attacks. It's only become obvious after the fact.

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