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  • #256
    Ahhh...so under your system, ideas don't involve work, and are therefor fair game to be stolen?

    I'll answer your post in a moment, but your answer to this part is important to my answer to you, so I'm asking first.

    Do I understand you correctly?

    Under your system, it's okay to steal my ideas, because that's "not work." Right? And therefore, I'm not being exploited.

    -=Vel=-
    The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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    • #257
      Originally posted by Flubber
      It seems to me that you have crated a system where there is absolutely no incentive to create or innovate. Why would Vel bother to make his new tool (it required work) if he gets no benefit. Nor would his group of co-workers get any benefit. The only benefit would be to the "state" and I can't see folks busting a gut for that. Oh and paying me for my time to build the thing is useless . .. I already get the same wage for building widgets at the state factory
      I never took individual innovation into mind when I thought of this system of innovation. My thoughts were to encourage hard work, not innovation. Innovation can be planned by the society. I haven't quite worked out the possibility of individuals are smaller groups of individuals thinking of ways to save their labor and earn more.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • #258
        Originally posted by Kidicious


        I wouldn't be stealing your labor at all. I would be stealing your idea. What is the cost to you?
        If it's an idle daydream, nothing.

        Useful ideas, those that actually lead to a new product or other item, actually require a lot of detailed implementation work.

        You don't just have a passing thought and then the finished prototype suddenly Minerva's out of your head. At least not on this planet.
        When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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        • #259
          Originally posted by Flubber
          The reality is that if you steal ANYTHING, it just won't exist to steal again. The inventor with 10 other great ideas, won't build or make them since they are so peeved at how you treated them
          I didn't say that we wouldn't pay for innovation. I just said that we wouldn't allow exploitation through innovation. Society pays for the innovation - Society benefits from the innovation.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • #260
            Originally posted by Kidicious
            Innovation can be planned by the society.
            How many specific examples can you cite when this has been done?
            When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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            • #261
              But kid...the think-tank approach to innovation is probably the LEAST effective form imaginable!

              Where do you think almost every worthwhile technology innovation got started?

              Apple Computers got started in a garage (literally)

              Microsoft in a run down trailer.

              Innovation IS the little guy. The free thinker. The individual.

              Your system would utterly destroy that.

              -=Vel=-
              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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              • #262
                So you propose a system that isn't even partially complete??

                This isn't a detail dude . . . its a major concept and you "haven't thought of it" yet??

                So glad folks like you want to be in charge-- I assume you see yourself as one of the central planners after all
                You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                • #263
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                  So thinking isn't labor? No one who doesn't perform heavy manual work isn't doing "labor"?
                  No. Thinking is labor saving, not labor.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #264
                    No, Kid...you absolutely did NOT say that. Nothing about paying me at all. What you said was:

                    I wouldn't be stealing your labor at all. I would be stealing your idea. What is the cost to you?

                    I would be stealing your idea.

                    Not going nto let you wiggle out of that one.

                    -=Vel=-
                    The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                    • #265
                      Originally posted by Flubber
                      So you propose a system that isn't even partially complete??

                      This isn't a detail dude . . . its a major concept and you "haven't thought of it" yet??

                      So glad folks like you want to be in charge-- I assume you see yourself as one of the central planners after all
                      Like I said. It's just one personal idea of mine. If it needs work fine.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #266
                        Just wanting to get you on record here:

                        Thinking is not labor.

                        You stand by this assertion, yes?

                        -=Vel=-
                        The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                        • #267
                          Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                          How many specific examples can you cite when this has been done?
                          How about if I just remind you that there is a department in most companies called R&D?
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #268
                            Originally posted by Kidicious


                            I didn't say that we wouldn't pay for innovation. I just said that we wouldn't allow exploitation through innovation. Society pays for the innovation - Society benefits from the innovation.

                            Don't we have that now? If an innovation is useful, people will pay for it and those that want it then benefit from it. So useless crap is paid for less often and useful stuff is encouraged


                            Your planned system, I see the guy that revolutionizes industry being offered a cookie and a pat on the back.

                            Or the pentagon planned system where the planners end up paying $100 for a screwdriver-- bUt of course your planners will miraculously be free from the stupidity and graft of every central planning agency ever known to man
                            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                            • #269
                              Hmm... Friday afternoon, 3 hours to go until I leave for the weekend... do I embrace the horror, or remain aloof? Decisions, decisions.

                              If I join in, we'll hit 500 faster, which is a good thing. But if we hit 500 too fast, a "part II" thread will spring up before I leave, which would be bad.

                              I'd like to count my options, so I can weigh them, whaddya say? 5 pounds? 6 pounds? 7 pounds? Why weigh on a sunny day? On a sunny day-ay, why oh why oh why weigh, hey? Why weigh?

                              -Arrian the mad (he usually only shows up on Fridays)
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #270
                                Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                                If it's an idle daydream, nothing.

                                Useful ideas, those that actually lead to a new product or other item, actually require a lot of detailed implementation work.

                                You don't just have a passing thought and then the finished prototype suddenly Minerva's out of your head. At least not on this planet.
                                You forget, this is the Kidiverse

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