John Kerry: Unfit For Command

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I do. I brought it up, remember? I was just explaining that to Drake in an effort to allow him to avoid a fruitless endeavor. Here's a cookie for attempting to be smart though.

What? you write more then three lines of text at any time? That is simply not done! I mean, that verges on posting a coherent arguement and that simply is not the DD way, now is it?

Isn't he such a brave little guy? Never gives up, even when attempting the impossible...

I know, reasoning with you guys is trully impossible- but I have faith in your intelligence (lord knows why) and that eventually you might see the light.

[Drake Tungsten]

Such spunk...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Such spunk...

I know.

[Drake Tungsten]

The ''band of brothers'' was organized by Kerry, according to this book. It tells of a 2003 telephone call to Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded swift boats in Vietnam, telling him he was running for president. Hoffmann, mistakenly thinking it was former Sen. Bob Kerrey, ''responded enthusiastically.'' Once the admiral realized it was John Kerry, ''he declined to give Kerry his support.''

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak09.html

Bob Kerrey

John Kerry

[Ming]

And the Sun Times is the Liberal paper in town

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


Which would be a fine explination, except they recommended him for very presigious awards (silver stars are not given away), and if they had any honor as officers they would not allow someone they thought undeserving get such an award.

So either they were gutless honorless men back then, or johnny-come lately bitter old men today.

Which does come to the very crux of why so many conservatives have some hesitation in agreeing wholeheartedly. There is an sense that medals in the vietnam era were handed out in a more cavalier fashion than past generations yet it is not spoken of for fear of insulting the contributions of those who served in that or for that matter previous generations.

As to your assertion of them being gutless honorless men you therefor condemn the entire generation. Are you willing to do so?

[Pekka]

"As to your assertion of them being gutless honorless men you therefor condemn the entire generation. Are you willing to do so?"

False. False assumption, and not true conclusion.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Which does come to the very crux of why so many conservatives have some hesitation in agreeing wholeheartedly. There is an sense that medals in the vietnam era were handed out in a more cavalier fashion than past generations yet it is not spoken of for fear of insulting the contributions of those who served in that or for that matter previous generations.

As to your assertion of them being gutless honorless men you therefor condemn the entire generation. Are you willing to do so?

nice strawmen.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Of course, they're all just apolitical, scrupulously honest guys who've been saying the same thing consistently since the events took place. They're not partisan, helped and financially promoted by partisan operatives, and nothing they say now contradicts what they said or conspicuously failed to bother saying at the time.

You're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that the majority of the members of Kerry's unit and all of his commanding officers are all partisan hacks making up things to take Kerry down, especially now that one of their claims has been proven true.

I guess "Kerry's unit" must not have had more than 3 or 4 boats, then, because otherwise, they were sure shorthanded for this group to be a "majority."

That's inplausible at best and

The vast majority of the brown water Navy as a whole is pretty apolitical - at least in the high-profile public sense, just like most veterans. There are at least a few thousand brown water Navy vets, and a few million Vietnam vets alone, not counting Korea, WW2, and later wars.

These guys are a "majority" of the unit(s) politically vocal members, but that doesn't mean much. At least one is one of the guys with his McCain is a Russkie-gook spy shtick, another is the one who wrote something about both John and Teresa Kerry being jews, etc. They all have a right to their opinions, and to their own beliefs.

The relevant (non) issue is whether their opinions and statements now have any particular credibility, in light of their totally different tune before Kerry became noticeable in VVAW.

Kerry may or may not be a cynical hack politician who would whore his own mother for political gain, but I don't really give a fair damn, because Bush is an even bigger flip-flopper, Bush has ****ed up repeatedly in the war on terror, Bush is running record deficits (and if you think it's bad now, let's see what happens if the Fed keeps cranking up interest rates) and the largest national debt and trade deficits in history. All while violating his oath of office and wiping his ass with the Constitution.

So too bad, Kerry is far and away the better alternative between Bush and Kerry, which is what we've got to pick from in the real world of electable choices.

at worst, insulting to veterans with as much right to respect for their service as Kerry.

Coming from a non-vet to a vet, that's ****ing laughable. It wouldn't matter to me if they were current card-carrying members of the Klan or the American Communist Party, their service then stands on it's own, and their statements or actions now stand on their own.

[Kuciwalker]

MtG, just kill this thread, it's going nowhere.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


You obviously are not cognizant or worse yet to refuse to acknowledge the possibility of the 'nice boss' syndrome. Wherein poor performers are often given good reviews b/c of either grade inflation or an attempt to get rid of troublesome employees by getting them transfered or in this case discharged.

Unfortunately, that's not a real plausible scenario. A bucketfull of decorations for valor wouldn't get Kerry or anyone else sent anywhere. And it took three PH awards to get someone out, so how would the "nice boss" assume Kerry would get any?

If Kerry was dangerous on the boats or a ****up, you wouldn't take months and bogus citations to deal with it - it would be easy to just make him some sort of supply or administrative officer, or just flat-ass transfer him, if there was any vaguely justifiable basis for doing so.

Given a lack of contemporaneous evidence of any nature, all you can do is guess that this might be so in order to manufacture a trace of credibility for these gents.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
MtG, just kill this thread, it's going nowhere.

It's getting close to the magic 500.

[MichaeltheGreat]

23 more to go after this one.

(don't take that as a hint to +1 it, but still... it doesn't have much life left in it. )

[GePap]

In the service of the greater good, one more post...

come on everybody

[Kuciwalker]

In this case, the ends (killing this thread) justify the means (sadly only a +0)