John Kerry: Unfit For Command

[Ned]

Originally posted by Elok
Oh, Bush's credibility problems aren't limited to Iraq. I don't believe a word Bush says on anything. Come to think of it, I don't think Bush believes a word Bush says on anything. He's the kind of guy who will fight to the end for his ideals, then figure out what exactly his ideals are later, when he has a spare moment.

Anyway, a column in today's Washington Post says MoveOn.org already pulled out the big guns in response. They have a commercial that quotes John McCain calling on Bush to condemn the Swift Boaters. McCain's War Hero muscle should counteract this nicely.

My computer doesn't have sound, Ned; what's your clip saying?

It has Kerry's public statements on programs such as Meet the Press from 1990 thru to the present day on Iraq. You can see that he flip-flopped on the first Iraq war as well. But he began taking an extremely hardline stand against Saddam in 1997. In '98, he called for the use of ground troops to overthrow him - agreeing that he was way out in front of Clinton on this. He continue to bang the war drums through 1992, even agreeing with Bush that we had the right to act unilaterally if the UN would not vote for war.

He began to change his tune when Dean took the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire. Now he is beginning to flop back to his original hardline stand with his statement that he would have voted for the war even knowing what we know today about the WMDs.

[Ned]

Great, MtG. Kerry gets elected and we go to war against an ally in order to fend off an oil depression. My God, the lunacy is of Kerry's position is appalling.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Nice try Ned, but your trolling isn't up to it's usual. Unless you think I'm John Kerry?

The Saudis are as much an "ally" of the US as was the USSR in WW2 - if, when, and only to the extent it suits their goals, which sure as hell aren't our goals.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Ned
My God, the lunacy is of Kerry's position is appalling.

That statement is unfair to lunatics everywhere.

[Kidlicious]

Lincoln,

Come on. You did something to that picture. His face is hardly sunkin.

[Drake Tungsten]

Of course, they're all just apolitical, scrupulously honest guys who've been saying the same thing consistently since the events took place. They're not partisan, helped and financially promoted by partisan operatives, and nothing they say now contradicts what they said or conspicuously failed to bother saying at the time.

You're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that the majority of the members of Kerry's unit and all of his commanding officers are all partisan hacks making up things to take Kerry down, especially now that one of their claims has been proven true. That's inplausible at best and , at worst, insulting to veterans with as much right to respect for their service as Kerry.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that the majority of the members of Kerry's unit and all of his commanding officers are all partisan hacks making up things to take Kerry down, especially now that one of their claims has been proven true. That's inplausible at best and , at worst, insulting to veterans with as much right to respect for their service as Kerry.

Except of course you read what those superiors wrote in giving him his commendations and you think to yourself: why the hell have they changed their stories so dramatically in just the last few months?
Then you listen to their gripe, and 100% of them are simply angry at Kerry as a war protestor back in 1970-71. When they served with Kerry, they have no records of any bad words, and if anything from his superiors we get glowing reports. 30+ years later you hear them *****ing about Kerry as anti-war leader.

So its pretty easy to see where these guys are coming from.

[DinoDoc]

MtG has an wall up called "He's not Bush" blocking any and all atempts at cricising Kerry, Drake.

[Drake Tungsten]

Oh, I know. Still feel like going through the motions, though. Lately, Poly has turned into an excellent way to numb my mind in preperation for bed.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Oh, I know. Still feel like going through the motions, though. Lately, Poly has turned into an excellent way to numb my mind in preperation for bed.

I thought that was done automatically- some cut and paste function built in?

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
MtG has an wall up called "He's not Bush" blocking any and all atempts at cricising Kerry, Drake.

Maybe you understand the "He's NOt Bush" wall and how it works- see, he does not give a rats ass what you guys have to say about Kerry, becuase there is nothing about him you could say that would have him vote for Bush, and since he knows minor candidates don't have a chance in hell, he will vote for the only winnable alternative.

Its not hard to understand, now is it?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


Except of course you read what those superiors wrote in giving him his commendations and you think to yourself: why the hell have they changed their stories so dramatically in just the last few months?
Then you listen to their gripe, and 100% of them are simply angry at Kerry as a war protestor back in 1970-71. When they served with Kerry, they have no records of any bad words, and if anything from his superiors we get glowing reports. 30+ years later you hear them *****ing about Kerry as anti-war leader.

So its pretty easy to see where these guys are coming from.

You obviously are not cognizant or worse yet to refuse to acknowledge the possibility of the 'nice boss' syndrome. Wherein poor performers are often given good reviews b/c of either grade inflation or an attempt to get rid of troublesome employees by getting them transfered or in this case discharged.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap


Maybe you understand the "He's NOt Bush" wall and how it works-

I do. I brought it up, remember? I was just explaining that to Drake in an effort to allow him to avoid a fruitless endeavor. Here's a cookie for attempting to be smart though.

[Drake Tungsten]

Here's a cookie for attempting to be smart though.

Isn't he such a brave little guy? Never gives up, even when attempting the impossible...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


You obviously are not cognizant or worse yet to refuse to acknowledge the possibility of the 'nice boss' syndrome. Wherein poor performers are often given good reviews b/c of either grade inflation or an attempt to get rid of troublesome employees by getting them transfered or in this case discharged.

Which would be a fine explination, except they recommended him for very presigious awards (silver stars are not given away), and if they had any honor as officers they would not allow someone they thought undeserving get such an award.

So either they were gutless honorless men back then, or johnny-come lately bitter old men today.