John Kerry: Unfit For Command

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
These are eyewitness accounts.

By people who think John McCain was a North Vietnamese collaborator.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by gunkulator


I'll agree if you agree that Bush's war record undergo the same intense scrutiny.

Strange how times change. 12 years ago when Bush Sr and Clinton were running, the Dems and Reps were 180 degrees on the other side from where they are today on the issue.

Bush's record should undergo the same scruitiny. The truth should come out on BOTH candidates, and then let the voters decide.

You know...that democracy thing.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by gunkulator
I'll agree if you agree that Bush's war record undergo the same intense scrutiny.

What makes you think it hasn't. The allegations against Bush were made during Bush's first term as governor, instead of waiting until he was running for President.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


By people who think John McCain was a North Vietnamese collaborator.

What they think and what they saw are two different things.

I suppose that you would also question the loyalties of the 21 Congressional Medal winners who have come out in support of Bush and against Kerry? My question is: Would you question these people if they had an anti-Bush issue to discuss? Methinks Not.

[KrazyHorse]

Nice red herring.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


And Kerry is subject to a public official immunity, so these guys can accuse him of literally anything, including molesting Vietnamese hooch boys and farm animals with an absolute immunity against being sued.

So why haven't they? Hmmm...perhaps no witnesses to those events? We seem to have a large number of men who actually served with Kerry stating that he is a liar.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Nice red herring.

Thanks. I had to think about that one.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
What they think and what they saw are two different things.

After 30 years, not necessarily. Consider all the people who claim to have seen a sniper at the grassy knoll, despite the fact that in the 1960s, they made no such claim. Today they firmly believe they did. People are quite capable of convincing themselves of something given enough time, like the Veterans being spit upon when getting off the planes from Vietnam, despite the fact that the planes from Vietnam landed on a military base and no protestors could possibly have ben present.

We do know, however, that at least some of these accusers are willing to invent stories of treason out of wholesale cloth to tar a person few would dispute as a true hero, John McCain. If they're willing to lie and invent stories about McCain, they're willing to do it to Kerry. Thus, they have zero credibility.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
21 Congressional Medal winners who have come out in support of Bush and against Kerry?

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


After 30 years, not necessarily. Consider all the people who claim to have seen a sniper at the grassy knoll, despite the fact that in the 1960s, they made no such claim. Today they firmly believe they did. People are quite capable of convincing themselves of something given enough time, like the Veterans being spit upon when getting off the planes from Vietnam, despite the fact that the planes from Vietnam landed on a military base and no protestors could possibly have ben present.

We do know, however, that at least some of these accusers are willing to invent stories of treason out of wholesale cloth to tar a person few would dispute as a true hero, John McCain. If they're willing to lie and invent stories about McCain, they're willing to do it to Kerry. Thus, they have zero credibility.

While I understand what you are saying. Please recall that one of these people is the actual medic who treated Kerry's wound and he seems to recall the situation quite well. Please also recall that these are men that were under fire with Kerry...a situation that tends to bond people for years and not seperate them over political issues.

I ask you: What do these men have to gain by lying? What does Kerry have to gain by lying?

I must also remind you that eyewitness testimony, regardless of age, is still the most compelling evidence that you can have in an investigation.

Simply saying that time has passed does not make an eyewitness account lack credibility. Having a large number of people disagree with a single persons account does, however, call the single persons credibility into question.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Nothing with the price of tea in China. See KH's post

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
I must also remind you that eyewitness testimony, regardless of age, is still the most compelling evidence that you can have in an investigation.

Actually, eyewitness testimony is coming under increasing suspicion as useful evidence, absent corraborating evidence.

Simply saying that time has passed does not make an eyewitness account lack credibility. Having a large number of people disagree with a single persons account does, however, call the single persons credibility into question.

I would refer you to the fact that it wasn't one vet up there on the stage with Kerry, but about a dozen. These are men, Republican and Democrat alike, who all vouch for Kerry.

[Ramo]

IIRC, 9/10 of Kerry's shipmates are campaigning for him.

[PLATO]

No Ramo. Exactly the opposite is true.

Che, There were about a dozen or so vets with Kerry. The interesting part is that NONE of them served with him during the instances in question. What does that tell ya?

[chequita guevara]

Nothing, because I don't believe people who would say that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese.