Traditional Christianity: Discerning the Real Faith from False Teachings

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


If I can put up with Molly's posts, then I don't see why they should be forbidden.

I don't proselytize- I use cut and paste to support the thrust or detail of my argument.

You assert the magi were three kings, I go to the Catholic Encyclopaedia, a dictionary, and a Biblical concordance to show that no Early Church fathers thought of them as kings, the magi were a Zoroastrian caste of priest-astrologers and the Bible described astrologers as an abomination in the sight of the Lord (Leviticus/Deuteronomy).

I wouldn't want you to take my word for it- it's not gospel after all.


Rather different from Mr Nice Sermonizer's post.

edited- spelling mistake

[Ben Kenobi]

I agree that traditions can prevent some from learning more truth as it may be revealed but then comes a new "prohpet" who starts new traditions that stifle truth.

Walking on the right or the left. Doesn't mean that there cannot be something in the middle, which is what Shi was hinting at.

Tradition in itself, is not bad, nor is progressive revelation. Both can be argued for from scripture, and a balance between the two avoids both of these problems. You need tradition to help confine and direct inquiries, and you need change to keep the church from stagnating.

I don't attend any church now after many years of observing the words of Jesus used to justify almost anything that makes more money for the church or increases it's worldly power.

There are many who do not care for these things Lincoln, but it saddens me to hear you say this.

however it seems to me that the church is in the same position it was in when Jesus came the first time. We cannot see it now and they could not see it then.

Hidebound by tradition?

[Ben Kenobi]

You assert the magi were three kings, I go to the Catholic Encyclopaedia, a dictionary, and a Biblical concordance to show that no Early Church fathers thought of them as kings, the magi were a Zoroastrian caste of priest-astrologers and the Bible described astrologers as an abomination in the sight of the Lord

Obviously, I still have some of my correspondence to catch up with.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Obviously, I still have some of my correspondence to catch up with.

Kenobic for: I was wrong.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by molly bloom


fatuous jejune jackass...

If only I had thought of those words before I titled my last book.

[Ben Kenobi]

Kenobic for: I was wrong.

I haven't read your argument yet.

Give me a break.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Lincoln


If only I had thought of those words before I titled my last book.

It was a work of autobiography?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I haven't read your argument yet.

Give me a break.

Just saving you the trip.



Argument?

All I do is cut and paste, according to a religionista and a high school kid.


Must be true then.


Equally

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Walking on the right or the left. Doesn't mean that there cannot be something in the middle, which is what Shi was hinting at.

Tradition in itself, is not bad, nor is progressive revelation. Both can be argued for from scripture, and a balance between the two avoids both of these problems. You need tradition to help confine and direct inquiries, and you need change to keep the church from stagnating.



There are many who do not care for these things Lincoln, but it saddens me to hear you say this.



Hidebound by tradition?

I am happy that you have found the balance in your church. I grew tired of looking. I agree with what you said. I am a devout Christian btw but I think that supporting the confusion that now purports to be the church of the living God is beyond what Jesus requires. Of course there was the poor widow who was commended by Jesus for throwing in her two pence to support the Pharisees... But I guess I have seen too much. It seems like loving one's neighbor is really not that difficult of a precept to understand. Jeremiah had a few things to say that are worth repeating today.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by molly bloom


It was a work of autobiography?

No. If it was an autobiography I would have only needed some big words that mean slow learner. Maybe you can help me...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Lincoln


No. If it was an autobiography I would have only needed some big words that mean slow learner. Maybe you can help me...

Fundamentalist.


5 syllables.

[Lincoln]

Actually I started out quite innocently. I was quite happy flying airplanes and stealing things that didn't belong to me and making alot of money. I never "found God" in any church. Then, later I did get involved with a few churches (one fundamentalist) but it was all a great learning experience that is still ongoing. I guess one could title the book, "The shepherd finds the dog who thought he was a shepherd." There are a couple of ways to read that.

[Ben Kenobi]

Argument?

All I do is cut and paste, according to a religionista and a high school kid.

Must be true then.

This is after I defended you in the thread.

"No good deed ever goes unpunished."

[Ben Kenobi]

I am happy that you have found the balance in your church.

Have I found this in any one congregation?

I split time between the Mennonites and the Catholics.

And even with the Mennonites, I spend time in both the English congregation and the Russians.

So I can't give credit to just one.

I am a devout Christian btw

I do not doubt this, nor have I ever doubted.

That's why I thought it sad that you haven't found that fulfillment.

but I think that supporting the confusion that now purports to be the church of the living God is beyond what Jesus requires.

We are confused, and this confusion is very widespread, and harmful to everyone, not just the Christians. But we need each other, and that means we need to work much harder to keep together than we would otherwise. We are teething, and it is painful.

Jeremiah had a few things to say that are worth repeating today.

What quotes are you reminded of?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




This is after I defended you in the thread.

"No good deed ever goes unpunished."

If by not pointing out how my posts, in substance, differ greatly from Mr Nice Missionary's previous posts in this thread, then you somehow think that means you defended me, you're sadly mistaken.