Islam is a peaceful religion is it..

[Q Classic]

Unfortunately it's quite apparent that you can't.

If you'd bother to read what I wrote, you'd notice one of the quotes I provided was from a CHRISTIAN missionary in Guatemala, who told of his experiences of being tortured by fellow CHRISTIANS. Not just brothers in Christ, but ones he knew, personally.

Nothing to do with Oklahoma, which was a separate incident, not linked by me to Guatemala.

molly, if you listen to genghisfarb tell it, he'd have to say that he is the product of the "Liberal dominated American educational system" which therefore means that "learning to read and write under their system would be a miracle".

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Typical. You can't back up your made up your allegations so you ignore my call to do so.

[Q Classic]

genghis, you do realize you've only given molly 15 minutes to post a reply, and that, contrary to what it seems like, people have other things to do than post on these boards all day, right?

[Dinner]

Those signs look photoshopped to me.

[Q Classic]

the signs might be photoshopped, if the pictures are not from the site, but fred phelps, his westboro baptist, and the godhatesfags.com website are all the real deal.

fred phelps has also preached that god struck down columbia because americans have grown proud and dared to go into heaven, with a jew, no less.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
genghis, you do realize you've only given molly 15 minutes to post a reply, and that, contrary to what it seems like, people have other things to do than post on these boards all day, right?

15 minutes? I've given almost 24 hours, she's replied twice, and hasn't been able to back it up yet.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Fine, that all ties together BUT IT STILL DOESN'T TIE BACK TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING.

Unless you figure that there are Christians in the United States, and Oklahoma is a state. That's pretty thin, but I guess that's works for you.

You still haven't backed up your original insinuation that the Oklahoma City Bombing was done for the glory of Christianity.

The point being that Park Avenue is saying that Islam is not a peaceful religion because of the actions of some of its adherents, not because it absolutely commands Muslims to kill unbelievers, or kill for the glory of Islam.

Is CHRISTIANITY a religion of violence, to use the same logic, because one of the men involved in the Oklahoma bombing was brought up a CHRISTIAN in a CHRISTIAN family, in a majority CHRISTIAN country, and had intimate acquaintance with violent Neonazi white supremacist Aryan CHRISTIAN groups, and had attended the siege of the CHRISTIAN scet, the Branch Davidian's compound, intending to see if he could help them in some way? Or because when dying he asked for the last rites from a CHRISTIAN priest?

Or is it a violent religion because supposed men of god, agents for the god of peace, have sanctioned mass slaughter in his name, because CHRISTIAN communities in the Balkans and Ireland, and elsewhere too, apparently worshipping the same god, kill each other and complete strangers with wanton disregard for one of the CHRISTIAN commandments- you know, that one that goes, oh, how is it, I know!

Thou shalt not kill.

Yes, I seem to recall that having some importance in my Roman Catholic CHRISTIAN upbringing.

Except when its absolutely necessary of course, say, as in Guatemala, Rwanda, Chile, Argentina, Belsen, Gorazde, Mostar, Belfast, Londonderry, Warrenpoint, Enniskillen, Omagh, Sarajevo, Vukovar, Burundi, Uganda, well it's a long list, perhaps if I had a decade or so, I might be able to summarize all the conflicts where CHRISTIANS had killed each other (and Jews, and Muslims, and pagans) in the name of the god of peace.

molly, if you listen to genghisfarb tell it, he'd have to say that he is the product of the "Liberal dominated American educational system" which therefore means that "learning to read and write under their system would be a miracle".

Q Cubed


I think they may have skipped logic and irony though.

[Q Classic]

15 minutes? I've given almost 24 hours, she's replied twice, and hasn't been able to back it up yet.

now, i don't know if this is what you're looking for, but it has been theorized that mcveigh did the bombing as vengeance for the branch davidian christian sect destroyed in waco texas two years earlier.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m12.html

whether you can ascribe religious motivation to mcveigh or just a generalized rage towards the government is up to you.

i personally don't think he did it out of a devout belief in christianity:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,109478,00.html

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Okay, so because he was brought up in a Christian nation you assume he's a Christian, and therefore the bombing is an act of Christianity. Not everyone in those hate groups is a Christian. I lot of stuff has been theorized, but I haven't seen hard evidence of most of it.

And I still haven't figured out why McVeigh didn't fit the description of either of the two guys from the truck with the explosives.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Those signs look photoshopped to me.

Those wheren't photoshoped, but this one was.

[Q Classic]

Okay, so because he was brought up in a Christian nation you assume he's a Christian, and therefore the bombing is an act of Christianity. Not everyone in those hate groups is a Christian.

he was raised catholic. he himself states that he lost touch with his religion.

your focus on this, however, does not in any way answer the other things which molly bloom has said about christianity, seeing as those examples are still valid.

i'm curious, what religion/faith were you raised in? which one are you most familiar with, even in passing?

[Q Classic]

And I still haven't figured out why McVeigh didn't fit the description of either of the two guys from the truck with the explosives.

do you think it's the fault of the "liberal" media that let to his conviction and subsequent execution?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Those wheren't photoshoped, but this one was.

You are a funny one.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

And I still haven't figured out why McVeigh didn't fit the description of either of the two guys from the truck with the explosives.

do you think it's the fault of the "liberal" media that let to his conviction and subsequent execution?

Sheesh, your really paranoid about a media conspiracy aren't you.

Actually, it was the local media that IMMEDIATELY began broadcasting the descriptions of John Doe 1 and John Doe 2. Me, I wasn't leaving the house with all the locals running around in their pickups and shotguns looking for them.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Okay, so because he was brought up in a Christian nation you assume he's a Christian, and therefore the bombing is an act of Christianity. Not everyone in those hate groups is a Christian. I lot of stuff has been theorized, but I haven't seen hard evidence of most of it.

And I still haven't figured out why McVeigh didn't fit the description of either of the two guys from the truck with the explosives.

Molly doesn't understand the difference from a group located in a western country and a christian group. To him they are one and the same. He also hasn't bothered to address the issue of scale and exceptance. I.E. extraordinarially small extremist fringe Christian groups but fairly large and close to the mainstream Muslim extremist groups. He loves false equivalencies and someone like that you will just keep bringing up one false equivancy after another without ever addressing the real issues the other people bring up so why bother responding to him? He'll just keep listing the same stuff over and over and then when you get bored he'll claim he won.

If there is one thing I've learned it's that arguing on the internet is stupid. His post about Nrothern Ireland being a religious battle is an excellent example of how he just doesn't get it and how he is fundimentally at odds with most of the major historians.