Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Re: Re: Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

Originally posted by paiktis22



Eh? Funny what you wrote... considering I never called you specifically (the french canadian community) cultureless or backwards. I simply stated a fact about your pronunciation. One which you have trouble accepting. That's fine.

Funny, you wrote THAT. You clearly don't have much of a grasp for what I say because I'm not French Canadian, I'm not even Canadian. In that thread, you specifically called North American provincials who leach off the culture of Europe.

Plus to say that you're completely cultureless is a minor injustice. You did produce some culture, nothing really noteworthy so far, but you do a good job at filling dirt cheaply the dead hours of TV chanels with your "culture".

Ok, why don't you go substantiate what you're saying, because until you do, you're still just an ignorant, claimless, biggoted, xenophobe. Can you understand that?

This is not always a good thing. I laugh in a good way at some of the "carelessness" of the new world and I laugh also in a good way in your little child mentality and naivete.

What exactly do you laugh at that you find so childish, and which isn't present in any form in your culture?

Oh, and here's an English lesson for you.

big·ot
n.

1. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

This would be you, bucko.

Edit: Patikis, seriously, why do you feel so insecure in your own culture to voluntarily put down someone elses, as you have done in this thread and the previous one about Quebec? Because this is how you come off... oh, and greasy and hairy too, slimeball.

[Al B. Sure!]

Greece hasn't been relevent since Pyrrhus failed in Sicily

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn

And Albert is correct, it wasn't just one group that came over, so saying that it was because of an old stereotype of a group in Europe isn't true.

This shows a deep lack of understanding of how stereotype and prejudice works.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You really think they've had a great influence on our national culture? Okay, in certain aspects. Our political culture, which I would argue is better than most of what Europe can claim, owes much to Jefferson. Yeah, we had some upper class writers, and American literature owes a bit to its upper crust, but our two greatest 19th Century writers, Poe and Twain, were both from the lower class. Our greatest 20th Century writers have been lower class.

And van Gough was a royal prince, or what?

You seriously equate class with culture? Well, I suppose you would...

[notyoueither]

Re: Re: Re: Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Edit: Patikis, seriously, why do you feel so insecure in your own culture to voluntarily put down someone elses, as you have done in this thread and the previous one about Quebec? Because this is how you come off... oh, and greasy and hairy too, slimeball.

Oh man. Are you telling me that a paiktis troll on Anglo Saxons (and Quebec!!??!) had the effect of creating a whole new thread for Pattycakes to troll in?



He can be good, but all he wants is his marbles back. Like many Greeks, he is like the child on the school ground crying about his lost marbles. He thinks that having the marbles back will somehow rescue his country from the pit of mediocrity it slipped into over 2000 years ago.

You have to understand the real offense that has been given. The real offense is that British culture long ago eclipsed any claim the Greeks could ever hope to have on the cultural capital of Europe. What the English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish, and their descendants have done (by including others instead of hiding behind walls from them) long ago left the glory of Athens and Sparta in the dust. That is the crime. If you speak English you stand accused.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It's kind of hard to take comments about America being cultureless from people just coming from seeing our movies and eating Big Macs.

Hollywood = culture?

McD = culture?

How?

[Sandman]

Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

The general sneering goes both ways. Both sides think that it is the other that does all the sneering, thanks to the confirmation bias. How can you possibly take the views of a single well-known troll to be indicative of some larger trend?

To me, it seems like Americans (or rather the right-wing variety) who are constantly sneering at Europe. But I'm fairly certain that this is a product of my imagination and not any sort of objective fact.

[Agathon]

big�ot
n.

1. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

OK, so that's all of Apolyton except perhaps Rah.

[The Mad Monk]

Henry David Thoreau, Tennesee Williams, Norman Rockwell, George M. Cohen, Andy Warhol, Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, Isaac Asimov -- among many, many others.

[Urban Ranger]

Yeah, but you got Ayn Rand. That's a huge negative right there.

[molly bloom]

Re: Re: Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

Originally posted by paiktis22

I view your culture as "hamburger" culture, something not really nurising, certaintly not healthy and definitely not rich but ok for filling your stomach for an hour or two.

The first time ever I saw your face
I thought the sun rose in your eyes
And the moon and stars were the gifts you gave
To the dark and the endless sky, my love.

The first time ever I kissed your mouth,
I felt the earth move in my hand,
Like a trembling heart of a captive bird
That was there at my command, my love.

The first time ever I lay with you
I felt your heart so close to mine
And I knew our joy would fill the earth
And last 'til the end of time, my love,
And last 'til the end of time.

Lyrics and music © 1962
by
Ewan MacColl

1915 - 1989




it is at moments after i have dreamed

it is at moments after i have dreamed
of the rare entertainment of your eyes,
when (being fool to fancy) i have deemed

with your peculiar mouth my heart made wise;
at moments when the glassy darkness holds

the genuine apparition of your smile
(it was through tears always)and silence moulds
such strangeness as was mine a little while;

moments when my once more illustrious arms
are filled with fascination, when my breast
wears the intolerant brightness of your charms:

one pierced moment whiter than the rest

-turning from the tremendous lie of sleep
i watch the roses of the day grow deep.

e e cummings



Bessie Smith

Empty Bed Blues


I woke up this morning with a awful aching head
I woke up this morning with a awful aching head
My new man had left me, just a room and a empty bed
Bought me a coffee grinder that's the best one I could find
Bought me a coffee grinder that's the best one I could find
Oh he could grind my coffee, cause he had a brand new grind
He's a deep sea diver with a stroke that can't go wrong
He's a deep sea diver with a stroke that can't go wrong
He can stay at the bottom and his wind holds out so long
He knows how to thrill me and he thrills me night and day
Oh he knows how to thrill me, he thrills me night and day
He's got a new way of loving, almost takes my breath away
Lord he's got that sweet somethin' and I told my girlfriend Lou
He's got that sweet somethin' and I told my girlfriend Lou
From the way she's raving, she must have gone and tried it too

(Part 2

When my bed get empty make me feel awful mean and blue
When my bed get empty make me feel awful mean and blue
My springs are getting rusty, sleeping single like I do
Bought him a blanket, pillow for his head at night
Bought him a blanket, pillow for his head at night
Then I bought him a mattress so he could lay just right
He came home one evening with his beret way up high
He came home one evening with his beret way up high
What he had to give me, make me wring my hands and cry
He give me a lesson that I never had before
He give me a lesson that I never had before
When he got to teachin' me, from my elbow down was sore
He poured my first cabbage and he made it awful hot
He poured my first cabbage and he made it awful hot
When he put in the bacon, it overflowed the pot
When you git good lovin', never go and spread the news
Yes he'll doublecross you, and leave you with them empty bed blues


The resemblance of any of these three manifestations of American culture to McDonalds' advertising escapes me.

But of course, paiktis is used to Greece where the souvlaki sellers regularly use the collected works of the Epicurean philosophers and Anna Comnena's 'Alexiad' to sell their wares.

[BeBMan]

Re: Why is there a general sneering going on east to west?

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Inspired by patikis' comments in LeftHand's thread, why do Europeans see North Americans as being cultureless and backwards?

Why do Americans think that all Euros think the same 'bout them?

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Yeah, but you got Ayn Rand. That's a huge negative right there.

Considering that one of your most important leaders declared war on your own intelligensia, I'd say you don't have much room to critique us.

[Whaleboy]

Monks got you by the balls there UR

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Henry David Thoreau, Tennesee Williams, Norman Rockwell, George M. Cohen, Andy Warhol, Robert Frost, Walt Whitman, Isaac Asimov -- among many, many others.

you forgot Faulkner

JM