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[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The publisher probably didn't disagree strongly with them, either. Usually a small publisher would have a pretty good idea what a guest columnist was going to say, don't you think?

A good newspaper, large or small, provides a balance of viewpoints. Smaller newspapers are more inclined to print anything just to fill space.

All of this is beside the point.

Ben srongly implied that the article was written by an Indo-Canadian. He was wrong.

Originally posted by notyoueither
Anyways, I did a little looking on my own. It seems Dosanjh pissed off more people in the NDP more deeply than anyone else. That author was an NDP activist afterall, and it is his estimation of Dosanjh's character that Ben highlighted.

No, Ben did not mention anything about Dosanjh being a turncoat (the writer's praise).

Also, the article does not claim that Dosanjh's was a terrible premier, but rather blames him for losing the election. This is completely different from Ben's groundless attacks.

Ben's attacks are lame and based on lies.

[notyoueither]

Ben said the guy was useless as premier. The writer, an NDP activist, quit because the guy was busy playing games with Chretien when his party was in trouble. How good a premier was he if he wasn't even looking after his own party?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I've heard a lot about what happened to BC. I've read it in the paper. I've heard it from relatives who live there. I have a hard time believing that it is all conservative hooey. Maybe, but I doubt it.

Wow, the extreme right wing Fraser Institute doesn't like the NDP. What a surprise.



Yes, Alberta and Ontario outpaced BC in economic growth.

That doesn't mean that BC was going backwards. BC's economy was growing.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Ben said the guy was useless as premier. The writer, an NDP activist, quit because the guy was busy playing games with Chretien when his party was in trouble. How good a premier was he if he wasn't even looking after his own party?

Shrenck suggests that Dosanjh was gunning for a senate seat, but where's the proof?

We're all agreed that Dosanjh wasn't an incredibly great premier. He failed the NDP (although the fault and responsibility lies more with Clark). But that doesn't make him a horrible premier as Ben claims.

All we have is Ben complaining that Dosanjh spent time at his house and worked while on a person vacation.

Even you would admit that's pretty lame when it comes to political character assassination.

And balanced against that is the fact that the NDP produced two surplus budgets before and while Dosanjh was in office.

Edit: Not only was the economy growing during the NDP government, but also unemployment consistently fell from 10.2% in 1991 to 7.2% in 2000.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Wow, the extreme right wing Fraser Institute doesn't like the NDP. What a surprise.



Yes, Alberta and Ontario outpaced BC in economic growth.

That doesn't mean that BC was going backwards. BC's economy was growing.

Stats Can has similar numbers for BC over the 90s. Decline in relative incomes vs all of Canada, not just Alberta and Ontario.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031106/d031106a.htm

Most provincial and territorial residents have similar amounts to spend on goods or services or to invest in savings on a relative basis. However, Albertans and British Columbians have seen their relative positions change. Albertans’ share of PDI has expanded, while British Columbia’s residents have seen their relative position deteriorate. British Columbians’ PDI is now less than the national average on a per capita basis.

Is Stats Can extremely right wing?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, I suggest the next time you have to pay sales tax, say you're withholding it on the authority of the Archangel Gabriel and see where it gets you.

Render unto Caesar...

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben srongly implied that the article was written by an Indo-Canadian. He was wrong.

Written by a guest columnist for the Indo-Canadian voice, were my words, which is precisely what that article says.

And thank you NYE for recognising that it is very credible evidence to cite someone who is on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

[Ben Kenobi]

We're all agreed that Dosanjh wasn't an incredibly great premier. He failed the NDP (although the fault and responsibility lies more with Clark). But that doesn't make him a horrible premier as Ben claims.

That makes him a useless Premier, and by extension we would expect a useless Health Minister, if that is all he has to his credit.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
That makes him a useless Premier, and by extension we would expect a useless Health Minister, if that is all he has to his credit.

Give it up Ben. Your conservative lies have been exposed.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Stats Can has similar numbers for BC over the 90s. Decline in relative incomes vs all of Canada, not just Alberta and Ontario.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031106/d031106a.htm

Your link shows that with Gordon "I only had one" Campbell in power, BC has underperformed the rest of Canada. It doesn't refer to when the NDP were in power.

This is why the Liberals are heading to defeat. People in BC are fed up with Liberals mismanagement. Latest polls show support for the NDP is at 45%, Libs at 33% and Greens get 14%.

Campbell has screwed up big time. He should have been working instead of getting drunk in Hawaii.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Written by a guest columnist for the Indo-Canadian voice, were my words, which is precisely what that article says.

Words followed in short order in the same post by:

'That's laughable. If people inside the Indo-Canadian community raise the same complaints that I do...'

the implication being the author was of the community or spoke for the community.

Disingenuous at best, big porky fibber by another reading.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Your link shows that with Gordon "I only had one" Campbell in power, BC has underperformed the rest of Canada. It doesn't refer to when the NDP were in power.

This is why the Liberals are heading to defeat. People in BC are fed up with Liberals mismanagement. Latest polls show support for the NDP is at 45%, Libs at 33% and Greens get 14%.

Campbell has screwed up big time. He should have been working instead of getting drunk in Hawaii.

Damn. Somehow I linked the wrong page. The bit I quoted from came from here:

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/13-605-XIE/2003001/chronology/2003provincial/pdi.htm

It is a link removed from that first page.

[notyoueither]

Oh, and in that 2002 snap shot, they outperformed all other Western provinces, including Alberta. Yeah, I'd say Campbell must be on the wrong track.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Damn. Somehow I linked the wrong page. The bit I quoted from came from here:

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/13-605-XIE/2003001/chronology/2003provincial/pdi.htm

It is a link removed from that first page.

Looking at the actual numbers shows the issue is more complex.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/13-605-XIE/2003001/chronology/2003provincial/tables/pdi01.htm

Up until 1996, Alta, BC and Ont are fairly close in PDI/capita. Then something happens in 1997. PDI/capita in BC continues to grow throughoutthe NDP years, but is outpaced by Alta and Ont.

BC wasn't going backwards, but rather incomes grew faster in Alta and Ont and that affected the national average.

So what happened in Alta and Ont from 97 onwards? The Alta numbers really start shooting up during 1999-2001.

Is the IT economy? Oil?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh, and in that 2002 snap shot, they outperformed all other Western provinces, including Alberta. Yeah, I'd say Campbell must be on the wrong track.

And BC underperform compared to the national average and compared to Eastern Canada. Yes, Campbell is on the wrong track.