Arrest me and throw away the key

[Ben Kenobi]

Swedish Pastor Sentenced to Month in Prison for Preaching Against Homosexuality

STOCKHOLM, July 5, 2004 - Ake Green, the pastor of a Swedish Pentecostal church in Kalmar, Sweden, has been sentenced to one month in prison by a Swedish court, for inciting hatred against homosexuals. Green was prosecuted in January for "hate speech against homosexuals" for a sermon he preached last summer citing Biblical references to homosexuality.

Sweden passed an equivalent to Canada's Bill C-250 last year -- a "hate crimes" law that forbids criticism of homosexuality. In a WorldNetDaily article, the author quotes from the church newspaper Kyrkans Tidning, in which the prosecutor in the case, Kjell Yngvesson, justifies the arrest of pastor Green: "One may have whatever religion one wishes, but this is an attack on all fronts against homosexuals. Collecting Bible cites on this topic as he (Pastor Green) does makes this hate speech."

So much for freedom of religion.

I wonder when the first person in Canada will be arrested for doing the same thing.

[KrazyHorse]

Why don't you go for it, Ben?

You'll certainly learn the other side of the story once you're in the slammer.

[monkspider]

Hate Speech=

[Ben Kenobi]

Technically, I can be arrested, by this precedent for my response to Lancer's thread on homosexuality.

I cobbled together the biblical passages on homosexuality then.

However, back then, Bill C-250 was not legal here in Canada. So I could not be charged.

All right.

I'll be right back.

Time to let them build a proper case for hate speech here in Canada.

[Aeson]

What did he actually say though? Was he just quoting scripture? Or was he using scripture to justify actions against homosexuals?

There's a big difference between "Homosexuality is an abomination" and "Kill homosexuals because it is an abomination".

If it was the first, this is a terrible law. If it was somewhere towards the second, it may be justified.

[Guynemer]

Free speech.

WorldNetDaily

[DRoseDARs]

* Drinks gallon of "the pink stuff" for my nausea *
I agree with BK on this one. It's very wrong that this evil, vile waste of skin has been charged, convicted, and sentenced for "hate crimes" if ALL he was doing was citing passages from the Bible word-for-word...

However, if he was putting his OWN spin on the matter, complete with colorful metaphors, then he needs to bend over and take his punishment like a man.

BK, you want to link the actual article, as per usual custom in the OT?

[OzzyKP]

Sweden -

And you Europeans think you're free.

[KrazyHorse]

As has become obligatory lately:

Free speech:
Laws that prohibit incitement to violence against any individual or group:
Laws that prohibit incitement to hatred:
Social conservatism:
Ben Kenobi's one-track mind:
Spotting a Canadian social conservative: because it's embarassing and because it's as rare as a steak that's still kicking

[Pekka]

Europe != Sweden. And you Americans think you are smart with your geographics and generalisations?

Hey, we don't have those kind of laws. I can go and say the n-word and beat the crap out of a black person, admit racist motivation and get MAX fines of 1 grand.
I can do the same to homosexual

So yeah in here we ARE free to do what ever we want.

[Jon Shafer]

Re: Arrest me and throw away the key

[Ben Kenobi]

All right.

Now you can make a proper case against me.

Leviticus 18:22

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13

" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Genesis 19:4-7

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing."


Jude 1:7

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion."


Romans 1:24-7

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sure you folks are talented enough to find the article that I cited here.

But the link alluded to is this:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37410

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben Kenobi's one-track mind:

Homosexuality and abortion are two things, Krazy.

But if it is wrong to be dedicated than I fully admit my error.

Spotting a Canadian social conservative: because it's embarassing and because it's as rare as a steak that's still kicking

[Ben Kenobi]

Or how about Sweden, where "civil unions" have been a reality for several years? Last year, the Swedes passed a sweeping "hate crimes" law forbidding any criticism of homosexuality. Last summer, Pastor Ake Green was arrested at a church in Kalmar, Sweden, and charged with "hate speech against homosexuals" for a sermon about homosexuality. According to the church newspaper Kyrkans Tidning, the prosecutor, Kjell Yngvesson, justified the arrest this way: "One may have whatever religion one wishes, but this is an attack on all fronts against homosexuals. Collecting Bible cites on this topic as he (Pastor Green) does makes this hate speech."

Here's the relevant Worldnetdaily section, DRose.