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  • Doing that in Saudi Arabia is illegal, and you will be beheaded.

    Why are people complaining about the barbarity of these beheadings when the Saudis have been doing this for years – there's a horrible clip of it in Moore's film.

    In other news:



    'Fahrenheit 9/11' Ignites Box Office Passion
    by Brandon Gray
    June 27, 2004



    HOLLYWOOD (Box Office Mojo) � Around three million people elected Fahrenheit 9/11 to be the No. 1 movie of America.


    Incensing as many as it's entrancing, writer-director Michael Moore's Bush bash celebrated over the weekend with an estimated $21.8 million at 868 theaters, Lions Gate trumpeted on Sunday along with co-distributors IFC Films and the Fellowship Adventure Group -- the latter quickly formed by Miramax chiefs Bob and Harvey Weinstein to release the $6 million picture after buying it back from corporate parent Disney. Less than $10 million was spent on prints and advertising, less than a third of the average Hollywood release.


    With $21.958 million in the till since its record-breaking debut in New York City on Wednesday, Fahrenheit 9/11 is already the highest grossing documentary of all time -- excluding large format, concert and other non-"apples-to-apples" sub-genres � surpassing Moore's own Bowling for Columbine's $21.6 million lifetime gross.


    Fahrenheit is also the first documentary to land in the weekend top five, let alone be No. 1. Its opening topped Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction's $9.3 million as the best ever for a Cannes Film Festival Palme d'Or winner, and it was Tarantino's jury that handed Moore the prize this year.


    Though Fahrenheit's $25,115 per theater average is extraordinary, it's not unprecedented. It ranks as the seventh highest all time for a wide release (adjusting for ticket price inflation knocks it down to no. 28) and the third best this year behind The Passion of the Christ's $27,554 and Shrek 2's $25,951. However, they were super-saturation releases playing at 3,043 and 4,163 theaters respectively -- the lower the theater count, the easier it is to have a high average as the release isn't diluted by less populous locations with lower ticket prices.


    Fahrenheit's performance harkens back to the days when big movies wouldn't play in every nook and cranny of the country, but would bow at around 700 or 1,000 theaters to sell out crowds. Perhaps the greatest example of this, Return of the Jedi debuted to $23 million at 1,002 theaters in 1983, which would adjust to $45 million by today's ticket prices. In terms of raw dollars, Fahrenheit is actually the biggest opening ever for a movie playing at less than 1,000 theaters, topping Rocky III's $12.4 million at 939 venues.


    Controversy is proving to be bigger business than ever. Prior to this year, it was seen as a way to raise awareness and help bolster a picture to modest returns (Dogma, Last Temptation of Christ). Chatter about its global warming themes didn't hurt The Day After Tomorrow either, which opened beyond expectations and is a solid blockbuster with $175 million to date. But it was Moore and Mel Gibson with The Passion of the Christ who have taken it to the next level: Controversy as saturation marketing campaign.


    Though The Passion is perceived as the opposite of Fahrenheit in terms of whom it appeals to, both Moore and Gibson enlisted today's mass media to work for them, knowing that everyone from 24-hour news channels to talk radio would eat up the grand hot topic issues of their movies with the littlest of stoking. Gibson took the more strategic approach with his surgical strike appearances and screenings, but he had months to wage his campaign. Fahrenheit didn't have a release date, let alone a distributor, until a few weeks ago, so Moore and company used the shotgun approach, showing up everywhere and heralding every single development of the movie's progress.


    Fahrenheit 9/11 will add theaters next weekend and is scheduled to expand again on July 9. It hasn't been determined how many yet.


    NOTE: Box Office Mojo asked Michael Moore and company to comment for this story, but they wanted to screen the questions in advance. As policy, Box Office Mojo does not conduct interviews under such circumstances, so there will be no comment from them.


    Weekend estimates are based on estimates for Friday and Saturday plus a projection for Sunday. They will be revised with actual numbers on Monday afternoon.
    Only feebs vote.

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    • This is particularly funny:

      "I want to thank all the right-wing organizations out there who tried to stop the film, either from their harassment campaign that didn't work on the theatre owners, or going to the FEC to get our ads removed from television, to all the things that have been said on television," Moore said. "It's only encouraged more people to go and see it."
      Only feebs vote.

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      • Originally posted by DinoDoc
        Personally I love the people who swallow ludicrous bullcrap like Bush's closeness to the Saudi royal family has hampered the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Especially when a better point of attack would have been to focous on the sucess sanctions had in containing Iraq and the sucess Bush had in crafting a sustainable sanctions regime along with the international will behoind it before he discarded it in favor of war. But why let facts get in the way of preaching to the choir, eh GePap?
        The funny thing is DD, obviously you don't read people's posts that well, given my review of the movie in the previous page.

        BUt you point out a wonderful fallacy with this one- you make it as if its either X or Z when in fact no such problem exists. Moore could say both the things you mentioned above without interfering with each other. More importatly, he is under no more obligation than anyone else to present any view but his own.

        I thought his treatment of Iraq was facile (do try to read what others post, why don;t yah? I mean, I know your posts are usually tiny and easy to digest, but some of us have a little more to say sometimes) but then, that has nothing to do with the impact or quality of the film, given that what he is doing is presenting his own point of view.
        If you don't like reality, change it! me
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        "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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        • Originally posted by Verto
          CLW's own analysis of the 2001 budget, however, shows that $250 billion is the total multiyear cost of the Joint Strike Fighter program, not the amount spent in one year. $1.6 trillion, meanwhile, was the total amount of money requested by the Pentagon at the time for 2001-2005. It covers five years, not four, and is a total budget request, not a "proposed increase" over previously requested budget levels. It shouldn't even take this much research, however, to determine that out of the total defense budget request of $305.4 billion in 2001, $250 billion was never intended to go toward one type of plane, nor that an increase of $400 billion per year in military spending was never proposed.
          Wait 2005-2001= 4. NOw, obviously they are talking Fiscal years and not year years, but still, how do they get 5 years from 2001 to 2005? Assuming F'01 request occured in '00 and F'05 requests in '04, as is generally the case....

          Heck, I even counted this with my fingers. So Verto, can you clear up this genius analysis for me and show my mistake in counting-please, cause I don;t want to be the one to point out a mistake like that. So, I am wrong cause they are including F'00, or F'06 as well?
          If you don't like reality, change it! me
          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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          • FY 2001 $305.4 billion
            FY 2002 $309.2 billion
            FY 2003 $315.6 billion
            FY 2004 $323.4 billion
            FY 2005 $331.7 billion

            5 year total B.A. from FY 2001-2005 =

            $1.6 trillion

            Those figures are from http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud01.html, the website Moore is supposed to cite in his book Stupid White Men.

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            • 2001
              2002
              2003
              2004
              2005

              that might be how they got it.

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              • There you go. Those guys should be much more clear cause Fiscal Year is not the same as year though. For example, its 2004 here, but fiscal '05 at least in NYC begins July 1st.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                • Here's another interesting bit from spinsanity regarding Stupid White Men.

                  Consider, for instance, his claim that "two-thirds of [the over $190 million President Bush raised during the presidential campaign] came from just over seven hundred individuals." Given the $2,000 federal limit on individual donations, this claim is obviously false. To back it up, he cites the Center for Responsive Politics Web site (opensecrets.org) and an August 2000 article from the New York Times. As opensecrets.org clearly indicates, however, only 52.6 percent of Bush's total $193 million in campaign funds came from individuals.

                  The Times article Moore references actually states that 739 people gave two-thirds of the soft money raised by the Republican Party (which uses its money for "party-building" activities that support all GOP candidates, not just Bush) in the 2000 election cycle as of June of that year. Whether out of malice or laziness, Moore conflates the party's soft money with Bush's campaign funds.

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                  • Originally posted by JohnT
                    I am going to see a movie today, but God - It's either seeing this one and missing the final week of Kill Bill vol. 2, or seeing KB2 again.

                    Oh, well... you gotta go where your heart leads you:
                    In case y'all care, the second viewing was better than the first. Can't wait until it comes out on DVD! (August 10th).

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                    • I must admit I have seen neither of the Kill Bill movies.

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                      • You're missing a great movie. The sort you can't get out of your head.

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                        • The Kill Bill movies, while definitely enjoyable and above average in terms of storytelling, are by no means great works of film. They are (to crib a line from a review I wholeheartedly agree with) "relatively clever pastiches". Nothing close to the quality and originality of either Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
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                          • I have no plans to buy either of the KB films. Have seen both once, and that's enough for me.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                              The Kill Bill movies, while definitely enjoyable and above average in terms of storytelling, are by no means great works of film. They are (to crib a line from a review I wholeheartedly agree with) "relatively clever pastiches". Nothing close to the quality and originality of either Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction.
                              I emphatically disagree. However, this is not the thread.

                              Carry on Verto, Agathon!

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                              • michael moore was on 60 minutes tonite.
                                "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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