So, have YOU seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

[DinoDoc]

Refer to #1 on my list of resons why I haven't seen the movie earlier in the thread. There's also the general disgust at handing my money over to Moore but #1 is the biggest reason.

[Verto]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

I suppose it cannot be argued that Moore makes any major, outright lies.

Which is what distinguishes him from those who make their livings pandering to right wingers.

Well, I suppose this bit from spinsanity about the book Stupid White Men, if true, could be considered a lie. Or rather, Moore would probably describe it as a typo.

In a discussion of Pentagon spending, he refers to the "$250 billion the Pentagon plans to spend in 2001 to build 2800 new Joint Strike Fighter planes" and states that "the proposed increase in monies for the Pentagon over the next four years is $1.6 trillion." To back this up, he refers to the Web site of the peace activist group Council for a Livable World. CLW's own analysis of the 2001 budget, however, shows that $250 billion is the total multiyear cost of the Joint Strike Fighter program, not the amount spent in one year. $1.6 trillion, meanwhile, was the total amount of money requested by the Pentagon at the time for 2001-2005. It covers five years, not four, and is a total budget request, not a "proposed increase" over previously requested budget levels. It shouldn't even take this much research, however, to determine that out of the total defense budget request of $305.4 billion in 2001, $250 billion was never intended to go toward one type of plane, nor that an increase of $400 billion per year in military spending was never proposed.

[MrFun]

The mud has piled so high in this thread now, that I cannot see over the top of the pile.

[KrazyHorse]

DD

Estimate page number (we're on #9 now with my settings).

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Verto
I disagree with Moore because he takes an event that happened, leaves out important information, takes speeches out of context, adds some spin, and the viewer is left believing that is how it really happened.

I suppose it cannot be argued that Moore makes any major, outright lies. I will concede this point. He is far too adept at warping the truth to the point where viewers see a false reality, without him actually telling a lie.

Congratulations, you show you understand how most modern propaganda works .

I suggest you to apply this analysis to pretty much every cheerleader in the political landscape.

You won't see through the shroud of lies as a result. But at least you'll see there is a thick shroud of lies (err, I mean, spin)

[DinoDoc]

#1 is that it is no where near me.

[KrazyHorse]

Do you live in Missouri?

If so, then I can't say I'm surprised...

[Verto]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Congratulations You have just shown you understand how most modern propaganda works. I suggest you to apply this analysis to pretty much every cheerleader in the political landscape. You won't see through the shroud of lies as a result. But at least you'll see there is a thick shroud of lies (err, I mean, spin)

I don't listen to the garbage spewed by 'political commentators' on either side of the political spectrum, and my main beef with Moore is how people try to pretend his films are documentaries, when IMO their excessive spin and 'creative editing' exclude them from that category.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Verto
I don't listen to the garbage spewed by 'political commentators' on either side of the political spectrum, and my main beef with Moore is how people try to pretend his films are documentaries, when IMO their excessive spin and 'creative editing' exclude them from that category.

Political commentators? The biggest lies come from the Bushies.

[MrFun]

let's not forget the Reaganite cult

[Spiffor]

The problem is not the political commentators. We know they are spinning the truth, with effects as efficient as lies.

The problem comes with information. Whether FoxNews or CNN, BBC or Le Monde, it is easy to instillate a very, very different feeling in the viewer. Selective editing, music, journalist's comment... With all of this, two people who have heard about the same news item will have completely different impressions on the news item.

[JohnT]

dp

[JohnT]

I am going to see a movie today, but God - It's either seeing this one and missing the final week of Kill Bill vol. 2, or seeing KB2 again.

Oh, well... you gotta go where your heart leads you:

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Mea culpa to me then. That's the first anyone who's seen the movie has mention of it that I've seen though.

Well, that was the first anyone who hasn't seen the movie has made that accusation of it that I've seen.

So nyah nyah nyah, neener neener neener, and pppffffttt.

[JohnT]

In it's first weekend of release, F911 has set the ALL-TIME box office record for documentaries with $21.95 million worth of tickets sold, being the nations #1 film of the week. Interesting that the film cost more to market than to make. One only hopes that Moore has enough savvy to get gross points rather than net (I'm pretty sure he does, having been in the business almost 20 years).

Of course, he's dealing with Harvey Weinstein, who has been known to rob the most famous people in Hollywood - and get away with it.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=26&p=.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm