So, have YOU seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

[chequita guevara]

Florida r0x0rs my s0x0rs.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Gibsie
I should have known a terrorist like Verto would defend a murderer.

Why, I'm just defending a man against he libelous and possibly slanderous statement that Moore initially made. You know, like how Moore says anyone who criticizes his film for having error is committing libel.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Verto
Yes, I say that, right after he states that "I can guarantee to you, without equivocation, that every fact in my movie is true." I am puzzled as to when a fact can be untrue, yet remain a fact.

So, he admits there is a "typo", although how one can call it a typo when you use murder instead of rape...he then tries to use sarcasm to make you want to shrug the whole thing off.

Similar to how rockets that place satellites into space are weapons of mass destruction. In his own words, "That Lockheed lets the occasional weather or TV satellite hitch a ride on one of its rockets should not distract anyone from Lockheed's main mission and moneymaker in Littleton: to make instruments that help kill people. That two of Littleton's children decided to engineer their own mass killing is what these guys and the Internet crazies don't want to discuss."

uhmmm you are seriously grasping at straws...

and what's with this lockheed apologist bs? they make nuclear missiles... they make weapons... they're primary purpose and main business is weapons. But you are acting like they're a bunch of scientists out to only do good.

what a strange world you live in...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Verto


Why, I'm just defending a man against he libelous and possibly slanderous statement that Moore initially made. You know, like how Moore says anyone who criticizes his film for having error is committing libel.

IIRC, apologizing for a mistake, and correcting it kind of protects you from libel.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Sava
uhmmm you are seriously grasping at straws...

and what's with this lockheed apologist bs? they make nuclear missiles... they make weapons... they're primary purpose and main business is weapons. But you are acting like they're a bunch of scientists out to only do good.

what a strange world you live in...

No, I am acting like they produce rockets that put satellites into space. Moore admits this, yet he tries to say that because they made missiles, like the Peacekeeper, 20+ years ago, two wackjobs decided to shoot up their school.

IIRC, apologizing for a mistake, and correcting it kind of protects you from libel.

Which is why I said the libelous statement Moore initially made.

[Sava]

You know... Verto would be much more likable if he got as mad at Bush about "lies" and "mistakes" as he does about Michael Moore. I mean, Michael Moore's "mistakes" (or this one Horton thing because there hasn't been any other) have to do with a movie. A movie... i mean, that means nothing! who the hell cares about a damn movie.

But yet, Bush gets up there and lieslieslieslieslieslieslies about WMD, liesliesliesliesleisleislieslies about Iraq/AQ... takes us into a war that claims tens of thousands of lives (nearly a thousands US soldiers), not to mention over $150 billion (so far)... but yet, Michael Moore gets a rant because of some dopey murderer/rapist error.

it just boggles the mind how one person could be so monumentally hypocritical in his criticism of someone over a mistake in a movie... but yet silent (and even supportive) of a proven liar responsible for the major problem in the world today (Bush... Iraq...)

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Verto

Which is why I said the libelous statement Moore initially made.

So why don't you dwell on all the libelous statements his critics have made, and do make? That is, of course, if 'libel' is what really concerns you.

[Gibsie]

Verto would be much more likeable if he actually watched Michael Moore's films before attacking them

"Moore admits this, yet he tries to say that because they made missiles, like the Peacekeeper, 20+ years ago, two wackjobs decided to shoot up their school."

Speaking of libel...

[Verto]

Originally posted by Sava
You know... Verto would be much more likable if he got as mad at Bush about "lies" and "mistakes" as he does about Michael Moore. I mean, Michael Moore's "mistakes" (or this one Horton thing because there hasn't been any other) have to do with a movie. A movie... i mean, that means nothing! who the hell cares about a damn movie.

There are other mistakes and errors, I pointed out the Lockheed one already. He tries to act as if the factory is churning out nukes, when they do not.

But yet, Bush gets up there and lieslieslieslieslieslieslies about WMD, liesliesliesliesleisleislieslies about Iraq/AQ... takes us into a war that claims tens of thousands of lives (nearly a thousands US soldiers), not to mention over $150 billion (so far)... but yet, Michael Moore gets a rant because of some dopey murderer/rapist error.

Do I support the Iraq war? Yes. Do I wish we hadn't gone in the way we did? Yes. Do I also understand the reasons and precedent for going to war? Yes. Do I 100% support Bush? No.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Verto would be much more likeable if he actually watched Michael Moore's films before attacking them

For the umpteenthtime, I have seen BfC. So, speaking of libel.

"Moore admits this, yet he tries to say that because they made missiles, like the Peacekeeper, 20+ years ago, two wackjobs decided to shoot up their school."

Was this not the message he was trying to get across? His own website says "Since that interview, the Titan IV rockets manufactured in Littleton have been critical to the war effort in both Afghanistan and Iraq. These rockets launched advanced satellites that were "instrumental in providing command-and-control operations over Iraq...for the rapid targeting of Navy Tomahawk cruise missiles involved in Iraqi strikes and clandestine communications with Special Operations Forces.

That Lockheed lets the occasional weather or TV satellite hitch a ride on one of its rockets should not distract anyone from Lockheed's main mission and moneymaker in Littleton: to make instruments that help kill people. That two of Littleton's children decided to engineer their own mass killing is what these guys and the Internet crazies don't want to discuss."

Is he not trying to say that Lockheed makes weapons of "mass killing"? Does he not try to make the connection that, because Lockheed made those "weapons", Columbine occurred?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Verto
He tries to act as if the factory is churning out nukes, when they do not.

No he doesn't, you're putting words in his mouth. You're stretching what he says about things that "kill people" into something he isn't saying. Your own hyperbole is killing any validity for your criticism of Moore.

Moore has had a field day slicing and dicing his critics over their use of such hysterical arguments. It's a testament to the fear he inspires among the right wing.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Verto


There are other mistakes and errors, I pointed out the Lockheed one already. He tries to act as if the factory is churning out nukes, when they do not.

You do realise that even in the quoted words you used he mentions that they make satellites, ect. ect.. aswell as being involved in weapons programs?

[Sava]

Is he not trying to say that Lockheed makes weapons of "mass killing"?

uhmm they do... DUH!

Does he not try to make the connection that, because Lockheed made those "weapons", Columbine occurred?

that's your conclusion... based upon some pretty ****ed reasoning if I do say so myself.

[Whoha]

So back to the original topic, of course not. But then I haven't seen a movie in a while. Nothing but a stream of crap has come out of hollywood for the longest time.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Verto


For the umpteenthtime, I have seen BfC. So, speaking of libel.



Was this not the message he was trying to get across? His own website says "Since that interview, the Titan IV rockets manufactured in Littleton have been critical to the war effort in both Afghanistan and Iraq. These rockets launched advanced satellites that were "instrumental in providing command-and-control operations over Iraq...for the rapid targeting of Navy Tomahawk cruise missiles involved in Iraqi strikes and clandestine communications with Special Operations Forces.

That Lockheed lets the occasional weather or TV satellite hitch a ride on one of its rockets should not distract anyone from Lockheed's main mission and moneymaker in Littleton: to make instruments that help kill people. That two of Littleton's children decided to engineer their own mass killing is what these guys and the Internet crazies don't want to discuss."

Is he not trying to say that Lockheed makes weapons of "mass killing"? Does he not try to make the connection that, because Lockheed made those "weapons", Columbine occurred?

The bolded part you high-lighted was in refereance to the children, not lockheed. What he says about lockheed is to make instruments that help kill people. which is exactly what they do.

And the connection he is making is that those children come from a society that is actively participating in an arms race and is developing 'weapons of mass killing', for use in wars. He is demonstrating that those children are in a sense a reflection of that society.