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  • "Isn't she a little young?"

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...x-minors_x.htm

    ['Sex with a minor, don't go there'
    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Billboards, posters and drink coasters will deliver a state campaign to dissuade older men from having sex with underage girls.
    The Department of Health will bring the campaign to northern Virginia, Richmond and Roanoke in June and July. The campaign is modeled on a pilot project in July 2003 in Hampton Roads, which the department deemed a success.

    The campaign is aimed at reducing the number of young girls who have had children fathered by older men. In 1999 and 2000, men over 18 were responsible for 219 births involving girls who were 13 and 14, the department said in a release Monday.

    The department said men older than 21 are three times more likely than junior high school boys to father children with junior high school girls.

    Messages such as "Isn't she a little young?" and "Sex with a minor, don't go there" are intended to reduce statutory rape and what the department calls sexual coercion.

    "We encourage adult men to talk to their peers and discourage them from pursuing teenagers. What they are doing is unhealthy and against the law," said Robert Franklin, outreach coordinator for sexual violence prevention at the department.

    The campaign's message will be on outdoor billboards, 225,000 postcards and coasters and napkins in approximately 150 bars, restaurants and retail establishments in Richmond, Roanoke, Arlington, Falls Church and Alexandria.


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    This bothers me for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it..

    It might be that it seems to unfairly target the male gender as a whole, as if to sternly remind us all not to succumb to our baser instincts (or "don't go there"), and have sex with minors.

    I've seen this a lot in some anti-rape campaigns- the assumption that there is an inherent power imbalance simply based on gender, and we all need to be sternly reminded not to act like beasts

    It's also a little cut-and-dry. The law defines the cut-off between a minor and non-minor at a certain age, but biology doesn't. The assumption that these relationships entail a predator preying on "innocent" teens (assuming they are really that innocent) is also bothersome, it's not that black-and-white in most cases

    There's also a lot of leeway among states themselves concerning age of consent for marriage and sex, and this clouds the issue even more, IMO.

    Anyway, this bugs me and it's offensive.
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  • #2
    Yes, especially since there are plenty of cases of women getting involved with minors. The most famous being the case of the teacher and her 12 year old student.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      Yes, especially since there are plenty of cases of women getting involved with minors. The most famous being the case of the teacher and her 12 year old student.
      presumably the young boy didnt get pregnant, though.
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      • #4
        I've seen this a lot in some anti-rape campaigns- the assumption that there is an inherent power imbalance simply based on gender, and we all need to be sternly reminded not to act like beasts


        I think the case is that there is an imbalance due to maturity and that it is this combined with gender that is an issue.
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        • #5
          Re: "Isn't she a little young?"

          Originally posted by Jac de Molay
          http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...x-minors_x.htm



          This bothers me for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it..

          It might be that it seems to unfairly target the male gender as a whole, as if to sternly remind us all not to succumb to our baser instincts (or "don't go there"), and have sex with minors.

          I've seen this a lot in some anti-rape campaigns- the assumption that there is an inherent power imbalance simply based on gender, and we all need to be sternly reminded not to act like beasts

          It's also a little cut-and-dry. The law defines the cut-off between a minor and non-minor at a certain age, but biology doesn't. The assumption that these relationships entail a predator preying on "innocent" teens (assuming they are really that innocent) is also bothersome, it's not that black-and-white in most cases

          There's also a lot of leeway among states themselves concerning age of consent for marriage and sex, and this clouds the issue even more, IMO.

          Anyway, this bugs me and it's offensive.
          So what? An adult male impregnating a 13-year old girl badly needs to be given a sound kicking.
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          • #6
            But maybe she did?

            The only problem I have is that I think there are more important things. If it's rape, it's very different from statutory rape. While it's illegal, the man isn't the only one to blame for a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl, if she consented. But more importantly, IMHO, is this:
            men over 18 were responsible for 219 births involving girls who were 13 and 14
            219 teenage pregnancies in a country of over 250 million and it deserves massive publicity? I'd consider murder, or rape, or even speeding (which causes far more deaths than that) to be far more deserving of public money than that. And how many of those pregnancies could be helped without a sex education preaching abstanence above all else.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Drogue
              But maybe she did?

              The only problem I have is that I think there are more important things. If it's rape, it's very different from statutory rape. While it's illegal, the man isn't the only one to blame for a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl, if she consented. But more importantly, IMHO, is this:

              219 teenage pregnancies in a country of over 250 million and it deserves massive publicity? I'd consider murder, or rape, or even speeding (which causes far more deaths than that) to be far more deserving of public money than that. And how many of those pregnancies could be helped without a sex education preaching abstanence above all else.
              1. i assume the numbers are for our dear Commonwealth alone, since they were released by a Virginia agency.
              2. They are only for 13 and 14 year olds - not all teenagers - obviously the far larger numbers of 15 and 16 year olds who get pregnant represent a larger social problem - i think they were trying to grab your eye.
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              • #8
                Yup


                'In Virginia during 1999 and 2000, 219 births to girls age 13 and 14 were fathered by men over the age of 18, according to the 2002 Virginia Department of Health report “Estimating the Incidence of Statutory Rape in Virginia.” '

                Blame McPaper for the ambiguity.
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                • #9
                  Rape is a crime, and is bad whether it's done on a 14 years old or a 19 years old. It does though bother me somehow if a 13 year old has consensual sex... OK, *she* might agree, but that guy who goes ahead and screws her should have enough brains to understand what he's doing.

                  Give me those who want to go ahead and **** 14 year olds, I'll kill em. And rapists too .
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                  • #10
                    219 teenage pregnancies in a country of over 250 million and it deserves massive publicity? I'd consider murder, or rape, or even speeding (which causes far more deaths than that) to be far more deserving of public money than that. And how many of those pregnancies could be helped without a sex education preaching abstanence above all else.
                    Absolutely, however the virgin bride complex carries more political clout than those opposed to ones right to run down a small kid in ones SUV.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Solver
                      Give me those who want to go ahead and **** 14 year olds, I'll kill em. And rapists too .
                      Trying to take over the Supercitizen mantle, are we?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Whaleboy


                        Absolutely, however the virgin bride complex carries more political clout than those opposed to ones right to run down a small kid in ones SUV.
                        I give it a 3/10, just because it made me laugh.

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                        • #13
                          Er, the population of Virginia is less than 8 million, NOT over 250 million.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Verto


                            Trying to take over the Supercitizen mantle, are we?
                            actually this one calls for MtG.
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                            • #15
                              BTW, the VA Dept of health is also concerned with pedestrian safety

                              http://www.vahealth.org/civp/walk/index.asp
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