Is Islam a form of Fascism?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've heard enough from you to realize that he's full of crap. Anyone that asserts nationalism isn't primary to Fascism isn't worth me reading.

[Al B. Sure!]

Imran:

you can always leave your nationality... it's called emmigation.

you may say no but some countries don't allow easy leaving which is true but some countries also dominated by religious laws punish apostacy.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I've heard enough from you to realize that he's full of crap. Anyone that asserts nationalism isn't primary to Fascism isn't worth me reading.

yeah, the same way ive heard enough from you to realize GTA is crap.

[Imran Siddiqui]

you can always leave your nationality... it's called emmigation.

If you are a German national and leave the German state, you are still German, even if you change your citizenship. Nationality has no bearing on states.

[Al B. Sure!]

what are you talking about Imran? Then the entire concept of America, a land of assimiliation, the melting pot, is a sham?

and anyway, one could say the same thing about being of a particular religion. you will always be muslim or christian in the eyes of some... or even worse, an apostate or heretic.

[Imran Siddiqui]

what are you talking about Imran? Then the entire concept of America, a land of assimiliation, the melting pot, is a sham?

American nationality is MUCH different than European nationality. It's much more of an outlier and sometimes I wonder if there really is an American nation at all. A nation is a group of people with similar backgrounds and doesn't always conform to state boundaries.

For example, the German nation is in parts of Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Czech Republic, Denmark, etc, etc.

[Drake Tungsten]

There is an American nation, but it's being destroyed by recent immigrants who refuse to renounce their ties to their old nations.

[Cruddy]

Islam CANNOT be claimed to be Fascist for the following reason.

Fascism (indeed most forms of autocracy) rely on compulsion of individuals to obey it's orders.

The whole POINT of Islam is that individuals VOLUNTARILY "surrender" to God.

Islam with compulsion to be a pious Muslim - isn't Islam.

[Al B. Sure!]

imran, being of the german cultural group while living in Switzerland doesn't make nationality permanent. that same german national could go to america and renounce the german culture and be fully americanized. i'm not seeing the permanence of a social construct like nationality, especially not as compared to another social construct, religion. both can be easy to renounce and also quite difficult (and deadly) to renounce.

[Al B. Sure!]

Cruddy:

this isn't about Islam being fascist. it's about islamism (Qutb's idealogy) being fascist or not.

[Cruddy]

Albert:

Putting "ism" at the end of words indicates that it is a belief system."

Islam is a belief system and so doesn't need it. Islamism isn't a word, Islamist isn't a word (try "Muslim") and those who say they are talking out of their back passages.

I realise that media people don't know this and endeavour to screw all our heads around into believing all Muslims are card carrying worshippers of Satan - but you don't have to follow someone when they throw themselves off a tall building.

As for Qutb' - never met the dude. Couldn't comment.

But if you meant "is forced Islam Fascistic?" then maybe any kind of forced belief system is autocratic (the dictator groups of govt).

Sorry if you feel mad at me for trying to correct you - but I thought it might help a bit.

[Drake Tungsten]

Islamism isn't a word

Yes, it is.

Islamist isn't a word

Actually, yes, it is...

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Islam CANNOT be claimed to be Fascist for the following reason.

Fascism (indeed most forms of autocracy) rely on compulsion of individuals to obey it's orders.

The whole POINT of Islam is that individuals VOLUNTARILY "surrender" to God.

Islam with compulsion to be a pious Muslim - isn't Islam.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1086646213053&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Ahem.

[edit]Should have read and comprehended before posting,still its an interesting article[/edit]

[Whoha]

And Imram, yea assimilation of first generation immigrants is possible, it depends on them not wanting to cling to their old culture though(and not having people there to help them)

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Islamism isn't a word

Yes, it is.

Islamist isn't a word

Actually, yes, it is...

Both are labelled as "Amercanisms", which are defined as "the latest crap the White House want you to swallow".

They might be words to you - but they're only there to make you think the way certain people want you think.

Or not, as the case may be.