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  • #31
    Like what just happened? Is the media hunting down NCon candidates and grilling them? Is there some habitual need to self destruct built into people who supported the CA?


    Conservative MP slips on party's hate law view
    CTV.ca News Staff

    The Conservative Party was buoyed by leader Stephen Harper's platform release Saturday, but comments by one of the party's MPs could be bringing it back down again.

    In an interview with CTV News, Ottawa-area Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant said she thinks Canada's newly amended hate law -- which added "sexual orientation" to the list of groups protected from hate propaganda -- should be changed back.

    "The danger in having sexual orientation just listed, that encompasses, for example, pedophiles," Gallant said.

    "I believe that the caucus as a whole would like to see it repealed," she said.

    The remark sent the Conservative Party swiftly into damage control mode. A party spokesperson said Gallant's comments were incorrect, and the Conservatives were not planning to move to repeal the act.

    Conservative House leader John Reynolds told CTV's Question Period that Gallant was expressing her own beliefs, which she is free to do.

    "During a campaign, candidates are going it make comments. These things happen," he said.

    "Candidates will say things for whatever reason in their own riding. But it's not a major issue with our party."

    Reynolds added that the party does not intend to seek to repeal the law.

    "I'm the House leader and I've seen no line-up of letters in my office asking us to repeal that law. It's a bill that passed the House of Commons.

    "She'll have every right to bring that up with a new caucus in Ottawa -- which will be greater in numbers. But it's certainly not something that is going to get us off an agenda."

    This is not first controversial remark from Gallant. In April, 2002, Gallant was forced to apologize for a comment she made in the House of Commons, telling Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham to "Ask your boyfriend" about Mideast policy.

    The remark was picked up by Commons microphones. After a firestorm of criticism, Gallant eventually released a statement saying the remark "was inappropriate."

    The latest gaffe comes as the Conservatives face criticism, after certain MPs expressed contentious opinions on topics such as abortion, bilingualism, and the death penalty.

    Last week, the party's health critic, Rob Merrifield, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail that mandatory counselling would be "valuable" for women considering aborting their pregnancies.

    Harper was forced to reaffirm his party's position that a Conservative government would not introduce legislation to restrict access to abortion or hold a referendum on the issue. But he said he would not prevent a free vote on abortion if it arose in a private member's bill.

    Later, Hamilton Mountain Conservative candidate Tom Jackson said he would like to see capital punishment return to Canada.

    Again, Harper was forced to make the point that his government would not propose death penalty legislation.

    Last month, Conservative Party Critic for Official Languages Scott Reid said bilingual services from coast to coast should be reconsidered. Reid also said he didn't think senior civil servants should have to be bilingual.

    Harper defended the Conservative MP, saying he was just expressing a personal opinion. But he also had to assure voters that his party supports official bilingualism. Reid later resigned from his critic position.
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    • #32
      Another one?





      1) Getting rid of bilingual service
      2) Bringing back the death penalty
      3) Abridging a woman's right to choose
      4) Delisting sexual orientation as a protected form of minority under Canada's hate laws.

      I'm sure a lot of people really want to see Harper's Canada now...
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
        Gee, I'll remember to use that same standard for Layton. Judge the leader by his candidates.
        Jon has a point though. With the election this close, people are going to look harder at the leader AND his candidates.

        The reason the NDP never tops 20% is that the wingnuts start to emerge and Canadians decide they don't want that.

        Do you want the right to be the NDP of the 21st century?
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        • #34
          they should remove everything as a "protected minority" under hate laws. Hate laws

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          • #35
            The Refoooooorrrrrmmmm party always had a lot of trouble with that, something which nobody's managed to fix yet, apparently.

            Maybe it should be a message to Canadians that the Alliance wasn't quite right in the head and neither are the new Conservatives...
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            • #36
              Originally posted by KrazyHorse
              Another one?





              1) Getting rid of bilingual service
              2) Bringing back the death penalty
              3) Abridging a woman's right to choose
              4) Delisting sexual orientation as a protected form of minority under Canada's hate laws.

              I'm sure a lot of people really want to see Harper's Canada now...
              That's why I'm wondering if there are roving bands of reporters mimicking the mobs with torches and pitchforks roaming the land in search of vampires.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by notyoueither Do you want the right to be the NDP of the 21st century?
                It works for the NDP because there's already a strong centre-left party to keep an eye on things while they push for more radical social change.

                The right would simply be ignored if it tried to move itself to that model...
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Kucinich
                  they should remove everything as a "protected minority" under hate laws. Hate laws
                  I'm actually with you on this one (I believe hate laws should be limited to outlawing incitement to violence against an identifiable minority). But attacking the right of a specific group (like homosexuals) to be protected tells me that there might be something more than simple regard for free speech at work, especially when a party already has an image problem with homophobia...
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                  • #39
                    In an interview with CTV News, Ottawa-area Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant said she thinks Canada's newly amended hate law -- which added "sexual orientation" to the list of groups protected from hate propaganda -- should be changed back.
                    I see no problem with this point of view.

                    Just because something was just made law, does not make that law a fiat which cannot be changed.
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                    • #40
                      As has been happening for 10 years.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by notyoueither


                        That's why I'm wondering if there are roving bands of reporters mimicking the mobs with torches and pitchforks roaming the land in search of vampires.
                        Maybe the new Conservatives simply have a talent for attracting wackos...
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by notyoueither
                          As has been happening for 10 years.
                          Yup. So somebody might want to tell the Conservatives that they should be more careful in who they give their seal of approval to...
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                          • #43
                            especially when a party already has an image problem with homophobia...
                            Crafted by the Liberals, and NDP, no doubt.

                            They have no image problems with the majority of Canadians.

                            I think Hate Crimes laws are stupid. Enforce the existing statutes against assault and battery, and you will not need hate crimes legislation.

                            We will be no worse to sweep this slate clean.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                              I see no problem with this point of view.

                              Just because something was just made law, does not make that law a fiat which cannot be changed.
                              Good. A point of principle. However, going off on divisive issues during a campaign is also the welcome mat to the opposition benches. When will the former supporters of Reform/CA learn that?
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                              • #45
                                You really can't blame reporters for smelling controversy and leaping on it. If these idiots don't want to cause the Conservatives serious harm they should learn to keep their mouths shut. The blame lies with them, not the media...
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