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[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Pax
His life experience is different from mine. It maybe due to location or due to generation. It could also be due to the fact that he grew up in your town.

I grew up in a majority black area. My understanding of white culture had a lot to do with what my parents went through and the local history. Joining the Navy was a shellshock. For me and the people around me. A large portion of the whites around me did have preconceived notions about blacks. It was common for me to hear "Why do brothers do this" or "You people that"
One of the most glaring things that annoyed me was whenever a white person would tell you about someone they would always "this guy" if he was white. If he was anything else he would be "this black guy" or etc. In little ways I was reminded of my difference.
The other thing is that most of the whites I have come into contact do actually lean towards the right.

I, actually have been guilty of this.

I also joined the Navy, and I found out that not black people were as funny as my high school friend

I actually was biased by him and it wasn't neccesarily the right bias either.

The Navy taught me that black people are as diverse as white people can be.

When were you in the Navy, and what ship?

ACK!

[Pax]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Sure it does! If you are unsuccessful, then you are not a very good imperialist.
Successful Imperialism , ought to be regarded as the model of Imperialism, rather than the ones that fail.
I think Imperialism is more about the exchange rather than the withdrawal of resources. Both groups benefited greatly, except it's unfashionable to talk about Imperialism in this way.
Why is India the most populous democracy in the world?
Challenging pre-conceived notions.

Okay,
1. Imperialism is building an Empire that your group dominates.
2. Even if the country prospered under Imperialism. Increase in GDP, more equality for the populace. It would still be wrong. Forcing your will upon someone is never right.
3. Imperialism is about sending raw resources to the mother country. Even when you have a situation in which you harvest the resources that a country was not using and raise the standard of living for the local populace, you are still doing this for your advantage not the locals advantage. You do it because you covet the resources not out of some great altruistic nature.
4. Name me a good Imperialist country and we can find there crimes against mankind.

[Pax]

I'm still in.
USS SAN JUAN
USS PORTER
USS ARTHUR W. RADFORD

[Tuberski]

I've been out for 10 years.

FC on the USS Elliot.

My ship isn't even in the Navy anymore.

ACK!

[Ben Kenobi]

You do it because you covet the resources not out of some great altruistic nature.

What about Missionaries? Are they motivated by materialistic concerns? I would consider them part and parcel of imperialism.

Imperialism is building an Empire that your group dominates

It depends on the population. Can it truly be said that the British dominated over India, or that the folks in India collaborated with the British? Both are partly true. I agree that much of imperialism came about from subjugation, but that the successful models of imperialism allowed for the participation rather than the subjugation of the native peoples.

That underscores your first point. What is the motivation of Imperialism? To establish dominion? To harvest resources? If one believes one to have a duty to help less advanced nations, in this manner, than can that not be construed as an altruistic motive?

Name me a good Imperialist country and we can find there crimes against mankind.

Name me a good Democracy, and we can find the same.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

What about Missionaries? Are they motivated by materialistic concerns? I would consider them part and parcel of imperialism.

As well you should, for they do the same. They spread their ideology with little to no concern for prevailing ideologies; either b/c they are 'inferior', or more common these days b/c they feel the need to 'save' the lost souls. Regardless, their ultimate motive is self-serving.

It depends on the population. Can it truly be said that the British dominated over India, or that the folks in India collaborated with the British? Both are partly true. I agree that much of imperialism came about from subjugation, but that the successful models of imperialism allowed for the participation rather than the subjugation of the native peoples.

Folks in India did collaborate, b/c they saw who was in charge and wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Some also saw better methods in what the British did and wanted to copy them to help spread throughout their people.
Doesn't matter. Imperialism's ultimate motive, again, is to help the homeland. Whether or not the locals are aided or worsened by the exchange is inconsequential.

That underscores your first point. What is the motivation of Imperialism? To establish dominion? To harvest resources? If one believes one to have a duty to help less advanced nations, in this manner, than can that not be construed as an altruistic motive?

The motive may be altruistic, but the ends haven't changed. If you kill someone for 'altruistic' reasons, isn't it still murder?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Pax
It's very complicated and I'm also embarassed to admit my feelings.
I stereotyped the people on this site based on my experiences with white people to date.
I made the assumption that most people here were probably right wing fanatic caucasian Imperialist pigs.
I assumed that most people in this forum had negative stereotypes of blacks.
I thought that by wearing my color basically on my sleave I would challenge your preconceived notions about blacks. I realize that in reality many of my preconceived notions needed to be challenged.
So I came to feel that only half of my login name really represents me. The part that I feel is the desire for all men regardless of race, religion, sex, gender, and etc. Should be able to live together in peace and prosperity.
Pax

Your experiences are still valid. Just remember that we're all individuals* and there are both tolerant & intolerant whites & blacks (and... miscellaneous!).

btw, I too have done the "guy" "black guy" thing, and I know when I'm saying it that by adding black as an adjective I'm subconsciously attempting to add a slew of preconceived stereotypes to the discussion (which are almost always negative). It's a bad habit, what can I say.

Finally,
/me points and laughs at Munk
Reap what you sow, buddy.

* Anyone attempting to post any Monty Python skits will be taken out back of the Coffee Shop and shot.

[Winston]

Damn.

[Theben]

Care to elaborate?

[Winston]

Yes. I think elabowating is gweatly ovewwated.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Ok so as to the Original topic, was wanting others to know you were black is that the reason your using the Data Angels leader as your avatar (Roze isn't it)? If so dose that mean your female as well as Morgan would seem the natural choice if your male? Or was Morgan unpalatable to you because of his Imperialistic coroporate tendencies?

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Pax
Of course I am still for peace and still against imperialism.

Reunite Gondwanaland!

[Frankychan]

This site= Teh r0x0rz!

I'm a Japanese-Local person and I don't feel awkward around here. Bronze and a little mixed, but this place shows the love.

Although there are some ppl that like to take some jabs at me for fun.....Lonestar and Tuberski come to mind...

[Frankychan]

I figure that so long as one can appreciate the Civ-type games, it doesn't matter what ethnicity a person is.

Now if they are a FPS'er....I think they would get fragged here.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi What about Missionaries? Are they motivated by materialistic concerns? I would consider them part and parcel of imperialism.

They are tools with which religion wages war on us. Eh.

What is the motivation of Imperialism? To establish dominion? To harvest resources?

Everyone else was doing it. Imperialism was the cool thing to do.

Name me a good Democracy, and we can find the same.

Ca... Icela... Switze...

Well, there's no real dirt on Norway if you count from 1905 onwards. They've done some nasty things to whales, but other than that they are clean.