Florida to Screw up 2004 Election?

[GePap]

I know, isn't it? Specially the part were you and Imran continue to proclaim something when you can;t show any actual proof.

Its almost frightening.

[DinoDoc]

Not really. I'm more interested in exploring the conspiracy theory being advanced by debeest.

[debeest]

If you stick to facts, rather than loaded terms like "conspiracy theory," you'll find the simple truth that she never said what all the media said she said, and she never made a false statement, and she never presented speculations or suggestions that didn't have a reasonable basis in fact. The falsehoods were in the media representations of what she said, not in what she actually said.

[debeest]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I'm not going to look them all up for you just because you haven't been paying attention.

Translation: I'm making **** up

Imran, I never make stuff up in an argument. If you paid attention, you'd probably know that by now.

Here are some links to stuff I didn't make up. If you'd been paying attention, you'd already know about these by now, too. Many are from mainstream media; others are from sources I can't vouch for, but they're completely consistent with the mainstream media.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/18/attack/main509488.shtml

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092701genoa.story

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2692_131/ai_96268286

http://prisonplanet.com/1999_Report_Warned_of_Suicide_Hijack.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1188902,00.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/2002/0918warn.htm

http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=ViewBlogThread&id=32674

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/terror-tactics/kamikaze-jet-hijacking/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/011dtpbs.asp

Shrub had plenty of warning specifically about the risk of people hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings. He did nothing to enhance security. (Still hasn't, for that matter.)

[debeest]

Takes awhile to read all the articles about the warnings and prior experience with planes attacking buildings, doesn't it, Imran?

[Imran Siddiqui]

All I get from those links that the FAA and CIA considered it and mostly discounted them, though acknowledging it could have been a possibility, just like Canada invading the US could be a possibility.

From one of your links:

the 9/11 Commission staff report itself concedes that "the potential for terrorist suicide hijacking in the United States was officially considered by the FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security dating back to at least March 1998. However, in a presentation the agency made to air carriers and airports in 2000 and early 2001 the FAA discounted the threat because, 'fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction.'"

This version is also verified by the FBI, which said it had no creditible information that hijacked planes would crash into government buildings. All they had was idle chatter with no concreteness and most of those links confirm that.

So, sorry... try again.

[debeest]

Right, Imran.. Find virtually the one line in all those links that indicates any doubt, and pull it out of context. Completely misstate the overwhelming sense of all the links. Nice job, lawyer-babe.

Is it rude now for me to point out this thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=115849 which discusses today's latest evidence of the Cheney administration profiteering from the war? Do you still want to argue that Cynthia McKinney was "loony" for suggesting that the administration was focused on corporate profits for their friends?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Find virtually the one line in all those links that indicates any doubt, and pull it out of context. Completely misstate the overwhelming sense of all the links.

Funny, since a few of those links have nothing to do with planes hitting anything (such as the ABC link). And if you think the facts are misstating things, that's your fault.

Do you still want to argue that Cynthia McKinney was "loony" for suggesting that the administration was focused on corporate profits for their friends?

Um.. yes. Baseless assumptions because you REALLY want to believe the other side did it fool no one .

[debeest]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Find virtually the one line in all those links that indicates any doubt, and pull it out of context. Completely misstate the overwhelming sense of all the links.

Funny, since a few of those links have nothing to do with planes hitting anything (such as the ABC link).

Right. That particular one doesn't explicitly talk about planes into buildings; it talks about an Arab suspected terrorist who, as you surely know, was arrested specifically because he wanted to learn to fly but didn't want to learn how to land.

from that link:

The revelation came as legislators were already demanding an explanation following the emergence of an FBI memo alluding to ignored warning signs about Sept. 11. Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden.

"There should have been bells and whistles going off," Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

There were "three huge warning signs," Edwards said, referring to a memo from the FBI about al Qaeda members training in flight schools in Arizona; the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui — the alleged "20th hijacker" — in Minnesota; and the warning given to Bush in August while he was vacationing at his ranch.

Do you still want to argue that Cynthia McKinney was "loony" for suggesting that the administration was focused on corporate profits for their friends?

Um.. yes. Baseless assumptions because you REALLY want to believe the other side did it fool no one .

I don't even understand what you're trying to say there. Want to try it again coherently?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden.

Uh huh... reported to the President? Doesn't say it does it? So if the FBI listened and said that's nice, it means what for the administration exactly? All Edwards says was a warning sign for the President is the Aug memo.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say there. Want to try it again coherently?

I'll go slow for your benefit:

Baseless assumptions (ie, Bush went to war to benefit his friends) because you REALLY want to believe that the other side (ie, the Administration) did it (ie, went to war to benefit his friends) fool no one (ie, we believe it as much as we believe the UN with black Sirkorsky helicopters are going to take away the guns from the Michigan militia).

Basically, you're as loony as she is (ie, off her ****ing rocker)

[chequita guevara]

Mods, kill this thread.

[MrFun]

Since when do mods respect any request made by a commie?