Womaneeze

[Spiffor]

Oh, it can completely change the meaning then.

I'll answer C, Regis.

[Thue]

Originally posted by Tiamat

I made an elaborate list to her of things she had done that I would like an apology for before I would want to see her again. I had checked my version of the story with one of her best friends to make sure it was reasonable (it checked pretty well).

And there we have it ladies and gentlemen, the crowning blow. HUGE MISTAKE! First and foremost never, ever make a list for a woman of her transgressions. Well you can but don't ever expect to have sex with her again.

She thought the list was was ridiculous

Of course she did. No woman in their right mind wants a man to 1) tell her she's wrong 2) make a list of what she did wrong 3) show her on the list what she did wrong 4) check it with her friends cause you know they told her 5) reject her after she's gulped her pride

Re 4): I explicitly told her friend that he could talk freely about it to her in the hope she would gain a better understanding. He is my friend too and a nice person, so I trusted his judgement.
Re 5): She didn't gulp enough pride for what she had done. Though I am pretty sure she thought she did with her understanding, and consequently feels treated unfairly.



Re 1), 2), 3):
I think what I haven't appreciated is how important it is for some people to not admit they are wrong. For me the the concept of fairness and the having the knowledge to correct my mistakes is more important than hiding my mistakes.
When I at the same time was willing to accept her apology that made it incomprehensible that she should not want to talk about it.


My letter was colored by the fact that I had already somewhat decided to reject her. The idea was for the letter to be 2-sided: On one hand to give her an opportunity to understand and apologise if she really wanted to, on the other hand to be strong enough to make her stay away if she said no.
It was really taking a lot of my energy to have her trying to become my "friend", and there were far to much bad luggage for me to want to have anything to do with her unless she commited to understanding what had happened.

But on reading your comments I see I made the list too long...

The second rejection had been a specific request for apology, which she did not want to make. But then she seemed convinced that I could not possibly mean she owed her an apology, so it may have been more fruitfull to repeat just that if I could live with just that apology (not sure).

I had really given her far, far to many opportunities to act wrongly and hurt me. All the while I made sure I did not act wrongly myself because I would have difficulty living with that. Every time I tried to talt to her I really didn't expect her to keep adding to the list when I didn't give her reason to.
As far as I can see some of the reasons for acting as she did was[*] To convince herself I deserved it, so she could reject me.[*] To make me act wrongly to give her reason to reject me.[*] From her lack of understanding she though she was doing me favors when she was not. She seemed to think this gave her the right to act badly in other ways.
And now she is somewhat unable to let go of me because her bad behaviour gives me some power over her. (She does have a conscience though she tries to hide it). And I have the ability to let go of her because I feel I have acted somewhat correctly.


I would like to hear your comments Tiamat. But I don't really see how this can be resolved. She answered my last "stay away for at least a few years" with her own "stay away for ever".

[Chemical Ollie]

This thread is too long for me to read in my drunk state, I just want to give a big applaus to this:

1) I’ll swallow it all... I love the taste of ***.
2) Are you sure you’ve had enough to drink?
3) I’m bored. Let’s shave my *****!
4) Shouldn’t you be down the pub with your mates?
5) That fart was great! Do another one!
6) I’ve decided to stop wearing clothes in the house.
7) You’re so sexy with a hangover.
8) I’d rather go and play Virtual Fighter than go shopping.
9) Let’s start subscribing to Penthouse.
10) Would you like to see a video of me going down on my friend?
11) Just for a change can we try anal sex tonight?
12) I really like football, can you take me to a game.
13) you’d better drive, you’re far safer than I am, and besides
everyone knows women can’t drive
14) Actually we shouldn’t have been given the vote, we’re better off
in the kitchen.
15) I think a big motorbike is a good idea.
16) I don’t care if my bum looks big in this, let’s just go and get
pissed
17) We haven’t gone out with your mates for a while, shall we all go
to Stringfellows.
18) Why can’t you let your hair down and have a few vodka chasers
with me.
19) I know you’re already late for work, but can I gag on it just
one more time
20) Aim where you like, it’s really good for my skin

[lightblue]

I think I've gotten myself a good girlfriend wrt womanese, though after previous exposure to womanese I get confused sometimes.

Example 1:
We first meet, get along really well, have a bit of a dance and kiss. Ask her out for a meal later in the week, after which she says "You're a great guy, but I am laying off men for awhile". Now my previous experience said it translated to "I am letting you down softly, but no chance". 1 week later she calls me and we have been going out since...

Example 2:
I am out getting drunk with my crew mates, and on the way back i think it'd be a good idea to call in on her. I proceed then to pass out on her bed, meaning she has to sleep on the sofa. She wasn't very happy with me for obvious reasons... I grovelled some in the morning, but was prepared for at least a few days of being in the doghouse. She then calls me later that day to apologise for being angry at me

As you can tell not all women are the same

[Chemical Ollie]

My buddy was f'cking drunk in Pekka's home town when a chick approached him. He was so drunk that he had forgot his briefs in the Sauna and we had to carry him back to civilization She volontarily took over and carried him home to her apartment. She later said her first impression of him was "What a kinky guy, no underwear!!!" (As if she would care, the slut).

[Last Conformist]

Literally carried him? Strong girl ...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Thue
Re 1), 2), 3):
I think what I haven't appreciated is how important it is for some people to not admit they are wrong. For me the the concept of fairness and the having the knowledge to correct my mistakes is more important than hiding my mistakes.

Heard a great quote on the radio the other day. Most of the stuff on radio is sheer garbage but this one said:

"Is it important for you to be right? Or is it important for you to be happy?"

All of the people I know in my life that have to be right all the time seem to be the most unhappy.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Literally carried him? Strong girl ...

Guided him, OK? Led him like a dog in a collar. She still thought she could do it 3 years later, so it ended. His pride prevented him to obey her eternally At least I slapped my dick on the dock of her parent's summer house once. Summer in Finland

[Last Conformist]

'Tis OK, Ollie!

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
2. Ooo, he's so cute!

I get this one all the time. Tiamat is spot on on the meaning she gave it.

[Japher]

I don't know

This means that it's up to you, but if you are wrong you're in for it...

crap! she's head this way!

[Agathon]

Ollie, who's that angel in your avatar. I can't see her face clearly as the natural optical gravity of her ample breasts is too strong.

[Japher]

The wifey is cleaning the toilet... Tia, how do I tell her to get the hell out 'cause I really have to take a leak?

[chequita guevara]

Ask her if you can pee in the sink.

[Agathon]

*refrains from posting "ethnic" joke.