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[JohnT]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


That would be "commodities broker."

Is that what they're calling migrant workers nowadays?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Agathon
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[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's a strawman of the position of the Republican party.

Is it? Then why is it the Republican party has been the one opposed to gay rights, which is quite relevant as a bedroom issue?

"In the bedroom" is a political euphemism for sexual activities, not abortion. Maybe it's different in Canada, but that's certainly how it is in U.S. politics.

Yes it does, implicitly.

No it doesnt, as stated above.

Sure they do. That's how we got into this mess, at least with Trudeau. Trudeau put abortions in the bedrooms, and argued that in liberalising sexual conduct also applies to abortions.

I was unaware that Trudeau was a member of the Democratic Party. You seem to have a nasty penchant for assuming what is true in Canadian politics is also true here. That isn't the case.

You are ignoring the history of the abortion movement in trying to seperate the two.

No, I'm not making the same mistake as you are in comparing Canadian politics to American politics.

Saying that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation has become standard dogma for the Democrat party.

True, and they're quite right. And they're not referring to abortion here, but sexual mores. Look at the frickin' DNC website. Abortion isn't addressed under Civil Rights or Equality, but rather under Women's Issues and Health. THAT's the place where Dems put it.

None of this, of course, changes the fact that Wilson, not being a Democrat, has no responsibility for what the Democrats believe.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, then where does that particular quote, the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation come from? Trudeau.

In what context did he use that quote?

Let's go see.

"The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."
Dec. 22, 1967

As Justice Minister, responding to criticism that he was making divorce easier, and relaxing laws against abortion and homosexuality.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/trudeau/inhisownwords.html

So the Dems liked the quote and continued to use the phrase. So do the supporters of abortion.

Abortion isn't addressed under Civil Rights or Equality, but rather under Women's Issues and Health. THAT's the place where Dems put it.

So the vague 'women's issues' cannot encompass the point on the bedrooms of the nation?

This, by the way argues against you. Supposing that abortion was a civil rights issue, about exerting control over one's body, then why don't we find it under Civil Rights or Equality?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well, then where does that particular quote, the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation come from? Trudeau.

So, you think Trudeau invented the phrase, it wasn't in use before that?



Creative, but utterly unsubstantiated, and utterly irrelevant to American political discourse. I must say, I'd never dream of invading a Canadian politics thread and assuming what we do here is related to what they do there.

So the vague 'women's issues' cannot encompass the point on the bedrooms of the nation?

You've yet to show they do. Would 'Men's issues' encompass such a thing? Women's issues relates to women's civil rights. This encompasses jobs and equality. A lot more than "bedroom" issues.

This, by the way argues against you. Supposing that abortion was a civil rights issue, about exerting control over one's body, then why don't we find it under Civil Rights or Equality?

Women's Issues = Women's civil rights or equality. Not hard to grasp.

[Ben Kenobi]

it wasn't in use before that?

He popularised the expression, and he applied it to abortion. Those who use the phrase now, use it in the same way.

It doesn't seem hard to grasp that connection. If Trudeau can make it, why can't you?

Women's Issues = Women's civil rights or equality. Not hard to grasp.

If this is true then the Democratic party does not believe in civil rights for men. Why have a seperate category for civil rights, and then another for women's rights?

I say they use 'women's issues' because it's a vague catch-all for stuff like abortion, and that they make a distinction between women's issues' and civil rights.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
He popularised the expression

I'm sure you can prove that, too.

It doesn't seem hard to grasp that connection. If Trudeau can make it, why can't you?

Maybe because we disagree with the connection?

Abortion is a medical/women's issue, not a sexual one. I promise you most Dems see it that way as well.

If this is true then the Democratic party does not believe in civil rights for men. Why have a seperate category for civil rights, and then another for women's rights?

False dichotomy. Just because the Dems do not address civil rights for men specifically as a major issue does not mean they don't believe in them. They're platforms on civil rights is geared towards minorities who have traditionally suffered oppression.

The reason women's rights and civil rights are seperate is because not all women are ethnic minorities.

I say they use 'women's issues' because it's a vague catch-all for stuff like abortion, and that they make a distinction between women's issues' and civil rights.

Yes, and and the distinction is that women's civil rights are a part of women's issues, whereas civil rights for minorities are under "Civil Rights." How does this in any way support the so far unfounded assertion that abortion is considered by the Dems to be "bedroom"?

[mrmitchell]

But the Democrats are WAY WAY worse.

First of all, broad generalizations about how either party will always act are bull. There are special situations, and they are usually conformed to.

That put aside, Democratic administrations, stereotypically, raise spending AND taxes, while Republican administrations raise spending and cut taxes, and hope the magic Economy Fairy will come along and suddenly increase tax revenues by so large a measure that the economy must be having breakneck growth to catch up with their cuts.

John Kerry is one of Senate's most fervent and hardline liberals, who has consistently pushed for a huge welfare state and a weaker military.

Did you know you sound like Fez?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Did you know you sound like Fez?

He has his Senate record to point to.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MrFun
Or deliberately trying to distort my claim? I am not claiming that you cannot be gay and Republican -- the existence of the Log Cabin Republicans proves that.



What I'm saying is that I find this to be a strange paradox in that too often, too many Republicans are more likely to be homophobic than Democrats. Which is not to say that there are no homophobic Democrats, or that there are no Democrats who would pander to homophobia for political gains (such as Bill Clinton).

But gays have a stronger chance with the Democratic party than the Republican party simply because the religious-right has too much influence over the Republican party.

Gays don't have a frigging chance with either

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
To be honest, there are a great deal of Republicans with integrity. I'm hoping they realize the danger before it's too late, and take back control of their party.

We've tried

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I think those folks are perfectly happy with Mr. Bush.

HELL NO

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Kucinich


We've tried

Uhuh... Says the guy with a name synonomous with crystal power...

[Kuciwalker]

You don't know the history of my nick, do you?

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Kucinich


You don't know the history of my nick, do you?

Well from what I see today it look like it needs a good editor.